This is the transcript for the IRC meeting on April 3 2010. A summary of the events is also available. Please note the time stamp is in UTC +10.

[21:11:36]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 1: Manga canon”
[21:11:47]	<Tiger|Away>	!agenda
[21:11:48]	<HunterG-88>	The agenda for the IRC meeting can be found here: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#Agenda_1
[21:11:51]	<Hunterj>	Ratchet & Clank Manga, where does it fit in with the storyline, I'm assuming it's canon as I don't think it contradicts with anything. It's publication date would possibly be useful. In reference to this section. Hunterj
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[21:12:00]	<Tiger|Away>	Should I help you with pasting, Hunterj?
[21:12:06]	<Tiger|Away>	Hey Drophyd167b!
[21:12:09]	<Tiger|Away>	It started right now
[21:12:11]	<Drophyd167b>	Hi
[21:12:12]	<Hunterj>	Tiger|Away: I'm ok
[21:12:15]	<Tiger|Away>	Some more users should arrive
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[21:12:25]	<Tiger|Away>	Hunterj, okay.
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[21:12:36]	<Hunterj>	Ratchet & Clank Manga, where does it fit in with the storyline, I'm assuming it's canon as I don't think it contradicts with anything. It's publication date would possibly be useful. In reference to this section. Hunterj
[21:12:50]	<Hunterj>	Ok, essentially where does the R&C manga fit in to teh storyling
[21:12:57]	<Hunterj>	*storyline
[21:13:11]	<Hunterj>	Should we use the publication date to decide, or anything else?
[21:13:12]	<jeanne>	not sure
[21:13:28]	<Hunterj>	Most games are in publication order
[21:13:35]	<Hunterj>	And the manga doesn't contradict anything IIRC
[21:13:37]	<jeanne>	if we could have the publication date it could be userful
[21:13:47]	<Hunterj>	SO i guess that'd be the safest bet.
[21:13:47]	<Drophyd167b>	Has anyone actually read the manga stuff?
[21:13:48]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[21:13:55]	<jeanne>	but that doesn't give us a really clear indication of what part of the storyline it is.
[21:13:55]	<Hunterj>	So shall we go by that?
[21:13:58]	<Hunterj>	Nope.
[21:14:07]	<Hunterj>	No, but it's all we've got
[21:14:16]	<Hunterj>	Or we could keep it separate
[21:14:19]	<Hunterj>	Actually that might be better.
[21:14:22]	<Drophyd167b>	Well, that might have helped in slotting it into canon
[21:14:28]	<jeanne>	I think separate is better until we're sure
[21:14:34]	<Hunterj>	Yeah, per jeanne.
[21:14:46]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[21:14:58]	<Drophyd167b>	Whoe's jeanne again
[21:15:01]	<Drophyd167b>	Nifky?
[21:15:02]	<jeanne>	nifky
[21:15:03]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:15:09]	<Drophyd167b>	Ah, thought so
[21:15:26]	<Hunterj>	OK, I think it's actually in the wiki's policies, so no need to vote.
[21:15:33]	<Hunterj>	Next topic.
[21:15:47]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 2: Forum:Images with unknown source or license”
[21:15:53]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Images_with_unknown_source_or_license
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[21:16:26]	<Hunterj>	Basicaly we need http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Images_with_unknown_source_or_license to be given a source or license
[21:16:44]	<Hunterj>	They are the images that are needed on the wiki, but that I'm unable to provide for
[21:16:49]	<Tiger|Away>	That was unexpectedly unfortunate. I think my sister accidentally turned off the WiFi :P
[21:16:56]	<Hunterj>	ok
[21:16:59]	<Hunterj>	you haven't missed much
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[21:17:03]	<jeanne>	I think we should delete the ones that aren't used on pages
[21:17:12]	<jeanne>	that have no source or license.
[21:17:15]	<Hunterj>	Yes, well in that category they all should be
[21:17:18]	<Tiku-Orava>	pretty easy I think, most of those are found with 2 sec googling
[21:17:23]	<Tigernose>	What happened with Topic 1?
[21:17:28]	<Hunterj>	Well, I've tried for many of them...
[21:17:30]	<Tigernose>	My internet went if you didn't know, so I missed what happened
[21:17:40]	<jeanne>	Tigernose: we've already started. :P
[21:17:47]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: in the summary, nothing major, it's about R&C manga
[21:18:00]	<Tigernose>	Yeah I know, but happened with the Manga
[21:18:40]	<Hunterj>	Essentially we need to source and license those images. It's been in the site notice from probably about a year now, but nothing's happened.
[21:18:49]	<Tigernose>	Ah yes.
[21:19:04]	<Tigernose>	What did you guys decide with the Manga/
[21:19:07]	<Hunterj>	Anyone who can help with that, please do
[21:19:11]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: See PM
[21:19:15]	<Tigernose>	OK
[21:19:34]	<Tigernose>	I'm not much of an image-expert, but I'll see what I can do.
[21:20:01]	<Hunterj>	OK, because tehre the ones I got stuck with (mostly) and I need some help, from everyone really.
[21:20:04]	<Hunterj>	Next topic?
[21:20:10]	<jeanne>	ok
[21:20:13]	<Tigernose>	Yep
[21:20:13]	<Tiku-Orava>	k
[21:20:16]	<goldbolt>	ok
[21:20:20]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 3: Struck form the agenda.”
[21:20:30]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 4: Forum:Images”
[21:20:31]	<jeanne>	I think we need to need Tiku, goldbolt and Drophyd167b into the conversatino more
[21:20:36]	<Tigernose>	Should I paste any comments?
[21:20:42]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Images
[21:20:47]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: It's ok. :)
[21:20:52]	<Tigernose>	Right
[21:20:56]	<jeanne>	s/need/nudge/
[21:21:08]	<Tigernose>	I agree with a user project
[21:21:29]	<Hunterj>	IS anyone particularly good at uploading and finding images?
[21:21:37]	<goldbolt>	erm no
[21:21:43]	<Tiku-Orava>	umm yes?
[21:21:44]	<Drophyd167b>	Nope
[21:21:50]	<Tigernose>	With my capture card I could try
[21:21:54]	<Tigernose>	I want to try a new user project
[21:22:06]	<Tigernose>	I could also do screenshots of YT playthroughs
[21:22:20]	<Hunterj>	OK, well with a user project users who want/can help join up and work together to completee a task - like reduce teh size of that category
[21:22:39]	<Tigernose>	Do you have the page for user projects?
[21:22:52]	<Tigernose>	I can scan a lot of the images in my printer, from the manuals
[21:22:53]	<Hunterj>	!ratchet Ratchet & Clank wiki: User projects
[21:22:53]	<HunterG-88>	Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:_User_projects
[21:23:12]	<jeanne>	I thought we didn't have a space
[21:23:23]	<jeanne>	nevermind
[21:23:26]	<Hunterj>	The link works.
[21:23:27]	<Hunterj>	Heh
[21:23:31]	<Tigernose>	Right
[21:23:41]	<Hunterj>	So all in favor of creating a user project?
[21:23:44]	<Tigernose>	Yes
[21:23:49]	<goldbolt>	Yeah
[21:23:50]	<Tigernose>	goldbolt
[21:23:53]	<Tiku-Orava>	yup
[21:23:59]	<Tigernose>	Drophyd16b?
[21:24:05]	<Tigernose>	Drophyd167b
[21:24:06]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:24:14]	<Hunterj>	OK
[21:24:14]	<Tigernose>	Well majority now
[21:24:17]	<Tigernose>	So let's move on
[21:24:21]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes
[21:24:31]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 5: Forum:Mentioned only template”
[21:24:39]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Mentioned_only_template
[21:24:57]	<jeanne>	I've seen it already used in some articles
[21:25:00]	<Tigernose>	I agree with such a template
[21:25:05]	<Hunterj>	Essentially making a template {{Mo}} to replace <small(Mentioned only)</nowiki> in articles
[21:25:08]	<Tigernose>	And for other users in the small priint
[21:25:19]	<Tiku-Orava>	is it really that used? but obviously it saves a lot of space and time
[21:25:20]	<Tigernose>	Would that mean having to replace mentioned only with Mo though?
[21:25:27]	<Hunterj>	It's standard on many wikis, and will reduce the code needed to be used.
[21:25:29]	<Tigernose>	On all articles
[21:25:39]	<Hunterj>	Yes, but we don't have to hunt it down.
[21:25:44]	<jeanne>	ok.
[21:25:45]	<Hunterj>	I mean as and when we see it
[21:25:47]	<Tigernose>	Yeah just replace on AWB
[21:25:51]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[21:25:53]	<Tigernose>	Agreed?
[21:25:56]	<Hunterj>	It reduces the code needed to be used by editors
[21:25:58]	<Tigernose>	goldbolt?
[21:25:59]	<goldbolt>	Yep
[21:26:00]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[21:26:00]	<jeanne>	so it wasn't like how we had to to 'appears in' to 'appearances'
[21:26:05]	<Tigernose>	Drophyd167b
[21:26:07]	<Tigernose>	jeanne, yeah
[21:26:11]	<jeanne>	meaning it's optional?
[21:26:20]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: no, not like that, it's more optional. The standard from now on.
[21:26:26]	<jeanne>	ok
[21:26:29]	<Drophyd167b>	Are we voting on whether or not to use it?
[21:26:34]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:26:34]	<Tigernose>	Oh right
[21:26:35]	<Tigernose>	Yes
[21:26:39]	<Hunterj>	Although we should replace it, just don't have to.
[21:26:41]	<jeanne>	but then we need to fix the MoS
[21:26:44]	<Tiku-Orava>	yeaaah
[21:26:47]	<Hunterj>	OK
[21:26:48]	<jeanne>	to say it's optional
[21:26:49]	<Hunterj>	That's fine.
[21:26:51]	<Tigernose>	So no hunting needed
[21:26:52]	<jeanne>	:)
[21:26:53]	<Tigernose>	Right
[21:26:55]	<Drophyd167b>	Ok, yes, as long as it's optional
[21:26:55]	<Tigernose>	Okay it's optional then
[21:26:59]	<Tigernose>	Next topic
[21:27:00]	<Hunterj>	No, it'll be compulsory from now on I think
[21:27:04]	<Tigernose>	Oh
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[21:27:07]	<Hunterj>	I mean it'll be the current standard
[21:27:08]	<Tigernose>	Well it won't be that much of a trouble
[21:27:09]	<jeanne>	hi HiQu
[21:27:09]	<Tigernose>	Hey HiQu!
[21:27:15]	<jeanne>	:)
[21:27:16]	<Tiku-Orava>	hey
[21:27:18]	<Drophyd167b>	Hello
[21:27:19]	<goldbolt>	hi
[21:27:26]	<Tigernose>	Welcome back mate.
[21:27:26]	<Tiku-Orava>	HiQu finally came
[21:27:35]	<Hunterj>	So if I edit an article using the old format, I'll use the template instead
[21:27:46]	<Tigernose>	Okay, shall we move on?
[21:27:54]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[21:27:54]	<jeanne>	ok
[21:27:56]	<goldbolt>	ok
[21:28:01]	<Drophyd167b>	Yep
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[21:28:28]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Speedrun
[21:28:38]	<HiQu_>	i think theres something rong with this freenode.net thing
[21:28:55]	<Tigernose>	This seems like something that doesn't belong on mainspace, but does on the wiki.
[21:28:56]	<Tigernose>	But where?
[21:28:59]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Speedrun
[21:29:00]	<Hunterj>	I'm not convinced.
[21:29:07]	<HiQu_>	!help
[21:29:08]	<Hunterj>	It is just about people completeing the game really quickly.
[21:29:15]	<Tiku-Orava>	I think the speedrun thign should be written differently or deleted
[21:29:16]	<Hunterj>	Hunterj: What's the problem?
[21:29:17]	<Tiku-Orava>	*thing
[21:29:25]	<jeanne>	it's becoming more of a hard-to-manage article like Glitches and Easter Eggs
[21:29:26]	<Hunterj>	HiQu: Waht's the problem?
[21:29:28]	<Tigernose>	I think the convincing part was the record times, but there's some information that really doesn't belong here.
[21:29:37]	<Drophyd167b>	Put it as a separate section or as trivia in the main game articles
[21:29:37]	<HiQu_>	i think it doesnt belong to the wiki
[21:29:42]	<Hunterj>	And whose to say someone hasn't done it faster?
[21:29:44]	<HiQu_>	help page for IRC anywhere?
[21:29:45]	<Tigernose>	I suppose another website could be the host for something like this
[21:29:47]	<Tigernose>	But not us
[21:29:57]	<jeanne>	HiQu_: like commands?
[21:29:59]	<Tigernose>	I mean even YouTube probably has Speedrun groups and all that
[21:30:02]	<Tigernose>	So I'm against
[21:30:12]	<Tiku-Orava>	I'm against the article too
[21:30:22]	<goldbolt>	Im against it
[21:30:26]	<jeanne>	me too
[21:30:31]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj?
[21:30:34]	<Hunterj>	I'm against
[21:30:38]	<Drophyd167b>	Couldn't we put the times in Trivia on each of the main game articles?
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[21:30:42]	<Hunterj>	So does that mean it should be deleted?
[21:30:43]	<Drophyd167b>	Just the times
[21:30:46]	<Tigernose>	Yep
[21:30:53]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: I personally think it's too high maintanence.
[21:30:54]	<Drophyd167b>	And yeah, delete it
[21:30:54]	<Tigernose>	I don't think the times should remain
[21:31:04]	<Tigernose>	We have no real sources and per Hunterj
[21:31:13]	<Drophyd167b>	Okay
[21:31:14]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:31:17]	<Hunterj>	PL, next then.
[21:31:19]	<Hunterj>	*OK
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[21:31:26]	<Drophyd167b>	All though I don't get Hunterj's comment
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[21:31:39]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: It'd need to be regularly updated
[21:31:39]	<jeanne>	like you have to fix format, spelling, etc.
[21:31:42]	<Tigernose>	Drophyd167b, we can't be the managers of different times
[21:31:47]	<Tigernose>	We're not the kind of people in the kind of place
[21:31:49]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 9:Forum:Shortcut Templates”
[21:31:52]	<Tigernose>	It's a wiki not Facebook
[21:32:02]	<Drophyd167b>	Ah right
[21:32:22]	<Tiku-Orava>	link plz
[21:32:36]	<Tigernose>	This was mostly a problem during the ACiT times
[21:32:36]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Shortcut_Templates
[21:32:37]	<Drophyd167b>	I have a hard time seeing someone uploading their speed runs to Facebook
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[21:32:46]	<Drophyd167b>	Sorry
[21:32:48]	<Tigernose>	When a new game came out we had to type up so much in the appearances section
[21:33:06]	<Hunterj>	Yeah, but it'd lower the quality of our articles IMO
[21:33:24]	<Tigernose>	Well that's thing, is it needed /now/?
[21:33:26]	<Tigernose>	Not really.
[21:33:27]	<Hunterj>	especially with the new text rich editor and the drop down list of links.
[21:33:28]	<Drophyd167b>	I'd rather type it manually for some reason
[21:33:30]	<Tiku-Orava>	I don't think this is necessary
[21:33:31]	<Hunterj>	yeah
[21:33:34]	<Drophyd167b>	I'm fine with it
[21:33:34]	<Hunterj>	I'd oppose usingthis
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[21:33:42]	<Hunterj>	OK
[21:33:44]	<Tigernose>	Maybe we could save it for a later game?
[21:33:57]	<Hunterj>	I think it'd lower the quality again/
[21:33:58]	<Drophyd167b>	as long as it doesn't tell you it's a re-direct at the top
[21:34:03]	<jeanne>	yeah
[21:34:04]	<Hunterj>	So no one's in support then?
[21:34:10]	<Tigernose>	Well for now, let's just obsolete it
[21:34:15]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[21:34:16]	<Tiku-Orava>	nope
[21:34:17]	<jeanne>	it kind of makes article's inconsistent
[21:34:22]	<Drophyd167b>	I'm neutral really
[21:34:23]	<Hunterj>	ok
[21:34:26]	<Tiku-Orava>	yep
[21:34:35]	<Tiku-Orava>	NEEXT
[21:34:43]	<Tigernose>	At the moment it's not a problem. If there will be a time when we actually do need it, we should consider it in another IRC meeting.
[21:34:46]	<Tigernose>	But for now - NEXT
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[21:35:00]	<Hunterj>	one YouTube video used as a source for Space Exploration has been removed due to copyright violation or something. The problem is we don't know which video that was so we can't replace the source. Also the only way to check videos still exist is to check each link individually. I think we should not allow YouTube videos to be sources except from when they are from official users like InsomniacGames or Sony. Existing videos should be replaced to articles
[21:35:19]	<Tigernose>	We should just be on the look out for any outdated sources
[21:35:23]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:35:25]	<Drophyd167b>	Unless it's official or a trailer, no
[21:35:27]	<Tigernose>	Not like anyone will still be looking at the sources for ACiT
[21:35:29]	<Hunterj>	The R&C wiki also has a YT channel, so we should use that as well.
[21:35:32]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[21:35:34]	<Tiku-Orava>	These ar e really a problem because unless we got an official channel for wiki things these have tend to get removed
[21:35:43]	<jeanne>	but you have to be careful of people who edit their video so it's not exactly the real thing in a way
[21:35:50]	<Hunterj>	Yeah.
[21:35:52]	<Drophyd167b>	Well, unless it's a glitch or an easter egg or something
[21:36:04]	<Tigernose>	We'll be extra careful next time there's a game and we need user-uploaded sources
[21:36:08]	<HiQu>	id prefer official youtube account videos like sony and playstation
[21:36:11]	<Tigernose>	Like put them on watchlist
[21:36:19]	<Hunterj>	Anyway, I think we should ban using YT videos as sources unless it's on an official organisation's channel or the wiki's own channel.
[21:36:19]	<Tigernose>	HiQu, they don't upload much
[21:36:22]	<Tigernose>	And that's the problem
[21:36:30]	<Hunterj>	Only as sources
[21:36:34]	<Hunterj>	the ban that is
[21:36:37]	<Drophyd167b>	What about Easter Eggs and such
[21:36:39]	<Hunterj>	embedded videos are ok
[21:36:40]	<Tigernose>	Nah I think we just need to be careful with unofficial sources
[21:36:44]	<Hunterj>	yeah, embedded.
[21:36:45]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:37:05]	<Tigernose>	Well you've convinced me about embedded
[21:37:12]	<Tigernose>	I agree only embedded user-uploaded videos
[21:37:17]	<Tigernose>	No sources that are unofficial
[21:37:20]	<Hunterj>	It;s just sources I'm worried about
[21:37:21]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[21:37:27]	<Hunterj>	ok
[21:37:31]	<Hunterj>	Is that ok with everyone?
[21:37:34]	<Drophyd167b>	Yep
[21:37:34]	<jeanne>	not for embedding or uploading too many videos in an article
[21:37:35]	<goldbolt>	yes
[21:37:36]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:37:38]	<Tiku-Orava>	yeo
[21:37:40]	<Tiku-Orava>	*p
[21:37:54]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[21:37:56]	<Tigernose>	Next
[21:37:56]	<goldbolt>	i gotta go
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[21:38:00]	<goldbolt>	i might be back
[21:38:00]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay
[21:38:03]	<Hunterj>	OK, bye.
[21:38:04]	<Tigernose>	See you goldbolt
[21:38:05]	<jeanne>	bye
[21:38:06]	<Tigernose>	Okay.
[21:38:06]	<goldbolt>	by
[21:38:10]	<HiQu>	bye
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[21:38:13]	<Hunterj>	should this be considered canon? Video:Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time - Super Villain Trailer. It's obviously a promo video but it's set in an in-universe style? Maybe we should make an article about it, stick a template at the top saying it may not be part of the storyline and then include the promo info in the trivia section. Hunterj
[21:38:15]	<Tigernose>	Hm... I'm on the fence with this. It seems like a Holo-vision show, and probably something that would be watched in the Ratchet universes, but then again: all it is - is just a basis for a new trailer. I wouldn't make it have its own article as it practically is a trailer in itself, but I would reference it in one of the articles. TIGERNOSE
[21:38:22]	<HiQu>	i think it should be canon
[21:38:25]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Video:Ratchet_and_Clank_Future:_A_Crack_in_Time_-_Super_Villain_Trailer
[21:38:25]	<Tigernose>	Comments start here, Hunterj :)
[21:38:31]	<Tigernose>	Just thought I'd remind you
[21:38:38]	<Tiku-Orava>	lol removed
[21:38:42]	<Tigernose>	Hah
[21:38:47]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: yeah, I know. BBut thanks.
[21:38:57]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose; actually you can paste comments.
[21:39:02]	<Tigernose>	Okay
[21:39:05]	<Tigernose>	Be a lot quicker
[21:39:11]	<Hunterj>	Bah, the video's removed?
[21:39:15]	<Tigernose>	Well we've all seen the trailer I presume
[21:39:16]	<jeanne>	:/
[21:39:17]	<Tigernose>	Yeah, Hunterj
[21:39:19]	<Drophyd167b>	Yep
[21:39:20]	<Tigernose>	But we've all seen it right?
[21:39:20]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:39:27]	<Tiku-Orava>	I haven't...
[21:39:32]	<Hunterj>	one sec
[21:39:35]	<jeanne>	or it may still exist as another video in youtube
[21:39:47]	<Tigernose>	It probably will, if someone can find that.
[21:39:51]	<Tigernose>	It was even in PS Home
[21:39:54]	<Hunterj>	http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-super-ratchet/56786
[21:40:02]	<Hunterj>	it does exist elsewhere
[21:40:03]	<Tigernose>	But the thing is, I don't think it should be an article on its own, as I said in the comments
[21:40:05]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, thanks
[21:40:10]	<Hunterj>	All I mean was should be canon?
[21:40:39]	<Hunterj>	If so then it needs an article called "Intergalactic crime fighting 101"
[21:40:41]	<Tigernose>	"It seems like a Holo-vision show, and probably something that would be watched in the Ratchet universes, but then again: all it is - is just a basis for a new trailer."
[21:40:55]	<Hunterj>	Exactly, that's why I mentioned it her
[21:40:58]	<HiQu>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sflQAX9fgI
[21:40:58]	<Hunterj>	*herer
[21:41:00]	<Tigernose>	Just go with a vote
[21:41:07]	<HiQu>	thats the official video from PlayStation yt channel
[21:41:07]	<Hunterj>	One sec
[21:41:10]	<Hunterj>	Good
[21:41:13]	<Hunterj>	Thanks HiQu.
[21:41:16]	<HiQu>	np
[21:42:04]	<Tiku-Orava>	watched it
[21:42:39]	<Hunterj>	I agree with HiQu.
[21:42:42]	<Hunterj>	I think it should be canon
[21:42:46]	<Hunterj>	Deserves it's own article IMO
[21:43:00]	<Tigernose>	Suppose so
[21:43:01]	<Tigernose>	HOWEVER
[21:43:07]	<Tigernose>	We should mention its clear sarcasm
[21:43:12]	<Tigernose>	In Trivia
[21:43:15]	<Hunterj>	Yes, behind the scenes
[21:43:21]	<Hunterj>	Not really sarcasm, advertisement
[21:43:25]	<Hunterj>	So, a vote?
[21:43:34]	<Hunterj>	Option 1 - consider it canon and create an article
[21:43:44]	<Hunterj>	Option 2 - consider it non-canon, give it no article
[21:43:51]	* Tigernose	votes Option 1
[21:43:56]	* Hunterj	votes Option 1
[21:44:05]	<HiQu>	how to PM
[21:44:10]	<Drophyd167b>	How do you do the vote thing again?
[21:44:10]	* HiQu	votes 1
[21:44:10]	<jeanne>	1
[21:44:22]	<jeanne>	/query nickname message
[21:44:39]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: Type /me votes
[21:44:47]	* Drophyd167b	votes 1
[21:44:49]	<HiQu>	ok
[21:44:49]	<Hunterj>	Tiku-Orava?
[21:44:52]	* Tiku-Orava	votes Option 1
[21:44:54]	<Hunterj>	ok
[21:44:57]	<Hunterj>	Unanimous
[21:45:10]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 12: Skill points”
[21:45:33]	<Tiku-Orava>	link plox
[21:45:41]	<Tigernose>	One min
[21:45:43]	<Hunterj>	N link for this
[21:45:48]	<Tigernose>	Paste the desc
[21:45:52]	<Hunterj>	Ratchet: Deadlocked skill point locations, I think it should be just Ratchet: Deadlocked skill points personally, they're not items to collect they are 'skills' to complete. Hunterj
[21:45:57]	<Tigernose>	I didn't explain it very well, I meant we should move all of them in the same style. Hunterj
[21:45:58]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: Any comments?>
[21:45:59]	<Tigernose>	Ah okay. In that case, I agree. TIGERNOSE
[21:46:10]	<HiQu>	i agree
[21:46:17]	<Tigernose>	So all skill point articles should be moved to just skill points?
[21:46:22]	* jeanne	agrees
[21:46:25]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes
[21:46:34]	<Tigernose>	Is that what you meant Hunterj?
[21:46:34]	* Tiku-Orava	agrees
[21:46:42]	* Drophyd167b	agrees
[21:46:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes, that it is what he meant
[21:47:16]	<Tigernose>	Ks
[21:47:19]	<Tigernose>	Whoop
[21:47:22]	<Tigernose>	*Whoops lol
[21:47:23]	<Hunterj>	Yes
[21:47:27]	<Tigernose>	I still agree in that case
[21:47:28]	<Hunterj>	No, wait a sec
[21:47:34]	<Tigernose>	Yes?
[21:47:35]	<Hunterj>	I mean Instead of Skill point locations
[21:47:38]	<Hunterj>	they become skill points
[21:47:45]	<Hunterj>	Is that what everyone agrees with?
[21:47:52]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes
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[21:47:59]	<HiQu>	yeah
[21:48:01]	<Tigernose>	Yeah, all articles are moved to that name right?
[21:48:02]	<Tigernose>	Hey goldbolt, wb
[21:48:03]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:48:05]	<Hunterj>	Ok
[21:48:05]	<goldbolt>	im back
[21:48:07]	<Hunterj>	yes
[21:48:08]	<goldbolt>	hi
[21:48:10]	<Hunterj>	Right then, moving on.
[21:48:11]	<Tiku-Orava>	yep
[21:48:19]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 13: Struck from agenda”
[21:48:31]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 14: Image policy”
[21:48:36]	<Hunterj>	Currently, our policy gives uploaders 24 hours to provide a source and/or license for any image they upload without one before it can be deleted. I'd like the make this 24 hours warning optional. It's in bold, red lettering to provide a source on the upload page and I don't see why we should have to wait 24 hours to delete an image. The user can always re-upload it. I do think users should be notified if their image is deleted and why though. Hunterj
[21:48:38]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj meant to say that the 24 hour warning should be deleted, not optional out of the policy. This means administators can delete any image at any time, provided that they provide a notification and reason. But before that happens, they have a warning to provide a source or licence first without any deadlines. // Nifky
[21:49:23]	<HiQu>	yeah
[21:49:31]	<Hunterj>	Essentially we change the 24 hour warning template with a general warning, and can deleted newly uploaded unsourced/licensed images immediately
[21:49:34]	<HiQu>	i guess that would be good
[21:49:42]	<Tigernose>	Yeah a lot swifter
[21:49:45]	<Hunterj>	BUt it doesn't apply to existing images.
[21:49:49]	<Hunterj>	And it's not compulsory deletion
[21:49:51]	<Tigernose>	Okay
[21:49:51]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:49:54]	<Tigernose>	Totally agree
[21:49:58]	<Hunterj>	OK.
[21:50:01]	* Hunterj	agrees. :)
[21:50:07]	=-=	Mode #R&C +v goldbolt by Hunterj
[21:50:09]	<Tiku-Orava>	I agree
[21:50:15]	<Tigernose>	Majority vote then
[21:50:15]	<goldbolt>	I agree
[21:50:19]	<Tigernose>	Moving on
[21:50:25]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 15: Stuck from agenda”
[21:50:26]	<Drophyd167b>	I agree
[21:50:37]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 16: Dating System”
[21:50:44]	<Hunterj>	Perhaps we could come up with some sort of non-canon dating system to help with the wiki. Drophyd167b
[21:50:57]	<Tiku-Orava>	what is a "dating" system?
[21:51:02]	<Drophyd167b>	I though this was removed?
[21:51:05]	<Hunterj>	Do you mean a timeline Drophyd167b?
[21:51:05]	<HiQu>	I think we shouldnt do this because it would be too noncanon
[21:51:20]	<Drophyd167b>	Like Star Wars has the BBY/ABY
[21:51:21]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes
[21:51:22]	<Hunterj>	I agree, but it could work if done on a user sub page.
[21:51:30]	<Drophyd167b>	And I agree with HiQu
[21:51:33]	<Tigernose>	Comments quite long
[21:51:36]	<Tigernose>	A dating system for the games, as in an un-official timeline, sorta like the Star Wars ABY/BBY timeline, although that is official, it would need to be classed as non-canon, but it could help the wiki.(Or not, but it seems like an idea that could work) Drophyd167b
[21:51:38]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay. I was actually thinking of something similar, but it's non-canon and it might lead to visitors believing it's true. Too risky and innacurate, but we could try something less non-canon - if you know what I mean. TIGERNOSE
[21:51:39]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[21:51:40]	<Tigernose>	I've decided to take it away, it would require far too much guesswork to create a significant Year 0, the end of the Great War would be a good one, but we're not even sure when that was, after ToD it seemed that it was hundreds of years before the games, but Azimuth's flashback scene in ACiT seems to suggest that he was alive in the Great War, and seeing as we don't know how long Lombax...
[21:51:41]	<Tigernose>	...lifespans are/Azimuth's age, the idea was destined for chaos. (Drophyd167b, having trouble signing in)
[21:51:42]	<Tigernose>	According to Jak X, Ratchet is somewhere around 20, which means that the Great War is at least 20 years before ACiT. That's my two cents though :p TIGERNOSE
[21:51:44]	<Tigernose>	But was Ratchet born soon after the war? Or was he born hundreds of years after? It would take too much guesswork and it wouldn't be credible, even though it would be unofficial. Drophyd167b
[21:51:51]	<Hunterj>	Um, ok.
[21:51:58]	<Tigernose>	The thing is, Star Wars have an official dating system
[21:52:02]	<Hunterj>	yeah too much guesswork for even an unofficial one to work
[21:52:06]	<Tigernose>	We can't match that with an unnoffcial one
[21:52:08]	<Drophyd167b>	I realised there were to many holes
[21:52:12]	<Tigernose>	So I disagree
[21:52:15]	<Hunterj>	Ok
[21:52:18]	<Tigernose>	Good idea but not in these circumstances
[21:52:26]	<Hunterj>	Well no one's agreed so far, and you did ask it to be removed so no need to vote
[21:52:26]	<Tigernose>	I'd love to see it possible though
[21:52:28]	<Hunterj>	Yeah.
[21:52:29]	<Drophyd167b>	Correction, the Star Wars one was unnofficial
[21:52:41]	<Tigernose>	They have one in the official annual
[21:52:49]	<Tigernose>	annual magazine book thingy
[21:52:51]	<Hunterj>	It's official Drophyd167b...
[21:52:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah, it became official
[21:52:54]	<Hunterj>	Oh, ok
[21:53:09]	<Tigernose>	I remember reading it years ago for no apparent reason
[21:53:10]	<Hunterj>	Well too many gaps in R&C really, but as Tigernose said I'd love to see any attempts.
[21:53:17]	<Hunterj>	Anyway.
[21:53:18]	<Tigernose>	Can't believe it amounts to something today
[21:53:19]	<Drophyd167b>	Unless I misread Wookieepedia
[21:53:27]	<Tigernose>	I don't even watch Star Wars :P
[21:53:30]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[21:53:34]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 17: Sigmund/Sigma-0426A”
[21:53:34]	<Drophyd167b>	lol
[21:53:40]	<Drophyd167b>	W
[21:53:43]	<Hunterj>	Shouldn't he be called his real name? (Drophyd167b
[21:53:45]	<Drophyd167b>	Ooops
[21:53:46]	<Hunterj>	I think this is complete
[21:53:55]	<Hunterj>	Should have been struck from teh agenda.
[21:53:55]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah, it is
[21:53:56]	<Hunterj>	Oh well.
[21:53:57]	<Tigernose>	Because Sigmund isn't so major, we could change the article's name - yes, but keep Sigmund bolded. Sigmund actually calls himself by his real name, but Clank doesn't. TIGERNOSE
[21:53:58]	<Hunterj>	Moving on...
[21:54:00]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay
[21:54:12]	<Drophyd167b>	I think it was and Tigernose put it back on, like the last one
[21:54:14]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 18: Struck from the agenda”
[21:54:22]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 19: Struck from the agenda”
[21:54:29]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 20: Struck from the agenda”
[21:54:31]	<Drophyd167b>	Sorry about this
[21:54:43]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 21: RYNO IV Extreme”
[21:54:46]	<Hunterj>	It's ok
[21:54:46]	<Tigernose>	I put it on just cause I wanted further discussion.
[21:54:47]	<Tigernose>	It's alright now though
[21:54:59]	<Hunterj>	I added the article there but I've later started thinking. Why would it rename the weapon. What if I mis read the name. So is it simply RYNO 4-Ever? Could someone check this? HiQu
[21:55:06]	<Tigernose>	What's the right name? TIGERNOSE
[21:55:08]	<Tigernose>	RYNO IV Extreme... The b-Unit's167th Drophyd
[21:55:14]	<jeanne>	hmm
[21:55:21]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/RYNO_IV_Extreme
[21:55:37]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/RYNO_4-Ever
[21:55:44]	<HiQu>	Its been so long since ive upgraded it and i think i couldve rememered the name incorrectly
[21:55:56]	<Tiku-Orava>	ok
[21:55:59]	<Tigernose>	That's Omega version
[21:56:02]	<Tigernose>	So we can strike it off
[21:56:09]	<Drophyd167b>	I'm pretty sure it's right
[21:56:12]	<HiQu>	so anyone willing to play through it. get holoplans and upgrade it
[21:56:19]	<HiQu>	just to be sure
[21:56:21]	<Hunterj>	"The description box for on the weapon's screen for the RYNO IV Extreme titles the weapon as the RYNO 4-Ever, and this is also the title of this weapon's Omega version"
[21:56:23]	<Drophyd167b>	I can remember
[21:56:39]	<HiQu>	and i think it might be ryno IV extreme for european and ryno 4-ever for american version
[21:56:47]	<Hunterj>	That suggests to me that the title of the weapon is correct, just teh description that's wrong
[21:56:50]	<Drophyd167b>	V5 is RYNO IV Extreme
[21:56:52]	<Tigernose>	Okay
[21:56:57]	<Tigernose>	Omega is 4-Ever
[21:57:06]	<Drophyd167b>	HiQu has a point
[21:57:07]	<HiQu>	did you check it drophyd?
[21:57:12]	<Drophyd167b>	No
[21:57:14]	<HiQu>	ok
[21:57:20]	<Drophyd167b>	But I can remember it quite clearly
[21:57:26]	<HiQu>	me too
[21:57:43]	<Hunterj>	ok, moving on
[21:57:43]	<HiQu>	but i think it might be ryno4-ever for american version
[21:57:46]	<Hunterj>	Ah
[21:57:52]	<Tigernose>	:S
[21:57:53]	<Drophyd167b>	I'm not entirely sure, but I'm like that with everything
[21:57:56]	<HiQu>	we need american guy to check that
[21:57:57]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[21:58:01]	<Hunterj>	The American version is canon
[21:58:07]	<Tigernose>	Anyone American?
[21:58:11]	<Hunterj>	Europe is behind the scenes
[21:58:17]	<Hunterj>	where they contradict
[21:58:47]	<Drophyd167b>	lol
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[21:58:57]	<Tiku-Orava>	hi haydos
[21:59:01]	<goldbolt>	hey
[21:59:03]	<Haydos271>	Damn, it's Saturday already?
[21:59:08]	<Hunterj>	Haydos271: are you American? ;P
[21:59:09]	<Drophyd167b>	That's pretty surprising actually
[21:59:16]	<Haydos271>	Ah well, I'm late
[21:59:19]	<Tigernose>	Hey!
[21:59:22]	<Haydos271>	But I managed to ge tabout an hour
[21:59:24]	<Hunterj>	Hi
[21:59:25]	<HiQu>	nifky, is australian version same as european
[21:59:26]	<Drophyd167b>	He's Australian, isn't he?
[21:59:32]	<Haydos271>	I am aussie
[21:59:33]	<jeanne>	yes
[21:59:34]	<Hunterj>	Ah, ok
[21:59:36]	<Tigernose>	HiQu, both are PAL, yes
[21:59:40]	<jeanne>	classifies as european
[21:59:41]	<HiQu>	ok
[21:59:47]	<HiQu>	ok
[21:59:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Get that Mateo Guy to look into it
[21:59:54]	<Hunterj>	Haydos271: We need a American user to check something in game...
[21:59:58]	<Hunterj>	Yeah, ok.
[21:59:59]	<HiQu>	i have an american friend on youtube
[22:00:05]	<HiQu>	i could ask him if he wants to check it
[22:00:06]	<Hunterj>	Well, it needs to be clarified doesn't it
[22:00:15]	<Drophyd167b>	He seems pretty good at looking for small details
[22:00:16]	<Haydos271>	I'm now doing chores to save up money to buy some of them comics in September
[22:00:24]	<Haydos271>	Umm, american?
[22:00:25]	<Drophyd167b>	Cool
[22:00:27]	<Hunterj>	So I'll leave this up to HiQu to sort out if that's ok? IF anyone else sorts it out before him then that's fine of course
[22:00:29]	<Haydos271>	What do you need?
[22:00:46]	<Haydos271>	What are we sorting out?
[22:00:58]	<Tigernose>	The name of the RYNO IV I think
[22:01:05]	<HiQu>	if anyone wants to help me could they watch american walkthroughs on youtube and check the name
[22:01:13]	<Drophyd167b>	We need to now if the V5 version of the RYNO IV is called the RYNO IV Extreme in the American version of ToD
[22:01:14]	<Tigernose>	Okay
[22:01:15]	<HiQu>	thats how i checked the combuster/or
[22:01:24]	<Hunterj>	HiQu: You don't mind me leaving this with you do you?
[22:01:29]	<Haydos271>	RYNO IV...
[22:01:32]	<Haydos271>	Let's see
[22:01:37]	<Drophyd167b>	know*, sorry
[22:01:46]	<Drophyd167b>	You have an American version?
[22:01:49]	<Haydos271>	It really, in common sense, should be RYNO-4-EVER
[22:01:50]	<HiQu>	omega version is ryno 4-ever in everygame
[22:02:00]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[22:02:02]	=-=	Mode #R&C +v Haydos271 by Hunterj
[22:02:11]	<Drophyd167b>	But the V5 version...
[22:02:11]	<HiQu>	but im sure its ryno IV extreme in european but what about american
[22:02:30]	<Tigernose>	Maybe we can check the history of the RYNO IV page to see who created the page (an american should have created it if it was extreme in US)
[22:02:56]	<Haydos271>	If it's small details to do with the Future series, leave me out
[22:02:58]	<HiQu>	might be the same fact that in european its Combustor, Magma Combustor but Omega Magma CombustEr
[22:03:05]	<HiQu>	so even omega changes names
[22:03:12]	<Tigernose>	CONFUSING
[22:03:18]	<Haydos271>	PS3 is so damn pricey here...
[22:03:25]	<Hunterj>	ok
[22:03:28]	<Haydos271>	Anyways, back on topic
[22:03:31]	<Hunterj>	So HiQu, can I leave this with you?
[22:03:43]	<Drophyd167b>	Well, JXextreme edited it
[22:03:49]	<HiQu>	well im not sure i can persuate that guy to help me
[22:03:53]	<HiQu>	i hope he does
[22:03:54]	<Drophyd167b>	And he'd notice something like that
[22:04:03]	<Hunterj>	OK, if not then can you put it into a forum?
[22:04:14]	<HiQu>	ill try contacting him
[22:04:17]	<Hunterj>	Or on the talk apge
[22:04:22]	<HiQu>	again i dont remember anything about forums
[22:04:31]	<Hunterj>	Ok, so you'll contact him, if it fails could you then put this on the talk page.
[22:04:34]	<HiQu>	been off the wiki for too long
[22:04:34]	<Hunterj>	Yeah, ignore forum
[22:04:42]	<HiQu>	ok
[22:04:46]	<Hunterj>	Right, thanks.
[22:04:47]	<Hunterj>	Moving on
[22:04:50]	<Tigernose>	K
[22:04:53]	<Hunterj>	On a side note: I'm fairly certain this is the most users we've had in the IRC.
[22:05:02]	<Drophyd167b>	Who we talking about?
[22:05:05]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 22: Cheats”
[22:05:06]	<Drophyd167b>	Is it?
[22:05:08]	<Tigernose>	First one was more I think.
[22:05:09]	<Tigernose>	I don't know
[22:05:15]	<Hunterj>	I don't think it was.
[22:05:18]	<Tigernose>	No it's this one definitely :)
[22:05:19]	<Drophyd167b>	I thought the last one had more?
[22:05:23]	<Tigernose>	No that was around 5
[22:05:32]	<Hunterj>	o you think it should be deleted or sorted. Do we even need the article? HiQu
[22:05:36]	<HiQu>	hey i think some wikians might be americans
[22:05:37]	<Hunterj>	*Do
[22:05:38]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Cheats
[22:05:40]	<Tigernose>	Don't we already have a List of Cheat Codes article for the cheat codes for the first game? Not only is that article poorly written, half of the cheats aren't actually cheats and are just skill points (for which we already have articles for), and the stuff that are cheats already have an article for it. Just delete it now? Anyone else apart from HiQu agree? TIGERNOSE
[22:05:42]	<Tigernose>	I agree, I was prompted to put up the deletion banner 'cos it was so poorly written. But after HiQu's move, I think that we should keep it as long as there are some vast improvements. I'll help, but I know sod all about most cheats... The b-Unit's167th Drophyd
[22:05:44]	<HiQu>	we could ask from them first
[22:05:51]	<Tigernose>	I swear we had a separate article for cheats
[22:05:53]	<Tigernose>	That was a lot better
[22:05:54]	<Haydos271>	This needs to be sorted
[22:06:02]	<Haydos271>	I'll volunteer to clean it up
[22:06:06]	<Tigernose>	There was definitely another article for it, but I can't find it
[22:06:12]	<Tiku-Orava>	the cheats article is all messed up
[22:06:15]	<Haydos271>	Because it technically is apart of the series
[22:06:16]	<Tigernose>	Wait Haydos271, that page is redundant
[22:06:20]	<Haydos271>	okay
[22:06:22]	<Tigernose>	Most of everything there is already covered in other pages
[22:06:27]	<Hunterj>	I agree with Haydos271, sort of
[22:06:31]	<Tigernose>	And plus, we had a page for cheats already
[22:06:31]	<Tiku-Orava>	they need to be verified
[22:06:37]	<Tigernose>	I just can't find it
[22:06:44]	<Tigernose>	For cheats in the first game at least
[22:06:47]	<Hunterj>	I thnk it should be split up into other pages, we should heck the content is elsewhere, and then delete
[22:06:57]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: Ideleted ages ago
[22:06:59]	<HiQu>	go to special:allpages and seartch cheats?
[22:07:10]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, wasn't that a better version though?
[22:07:11]	<HiQu>	search
[22:07:15]	<Tigernose>	It had tons of good cheats
[22:07:16]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: no, worse
[22:07:21]	<jeanne>	cheats is another unnecessary article
[22:07:24]	<Haydos271>	Actually
[22:07:24]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: We moved the content IIRC
[22:07:28]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay
[22:07:34]	<jeanne>	Our glitches article is already in the cheats category
[22:07:38]	<Tigernose>	In that case, Cheats should be deleted. Everything is covered already
[22:07:45]	<Hunterj>	I think the conten tshould be cleaned up, split up and moved elswhere. Then the article deleted
[22:07:46]	<Drophyd167b>	Ok
[22:07:48]	<Tigernose>	Just redirect Cheats to glitches
[22:08:00]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, most of them are Japanese only anyway
[22:08:00]	<Haydos271>	Well, cheats is apart of the series, but there are many articles that have all the information
[22:08:05]	<Drophyd167b>	Cheats and Glitches are widely different things
[22:08:15]	<Hunterj>	The goodies screen codes.
[22:08:20]	<Hunterj>	I'm sure we don't have them elsewhere
[22:08:39]	<Tigernose>	Drophyd, a lot of the cheats are in there already, right?
[22:08:51]	<Drophyd167b>	In Glitches?
[22:08:54]	<Haydos271>	Hmmm, I think we should keep it
[22:09:03]	<Haydos271>	But protect it
[22:09:15]	<Hunterj>	Haydos271: You offered to clean it up, would you be willing to split it up instead?
[22:09:21]	<Hunterj>	Move it into relevant articles
[22:09:23]	<Haydos271>	Yes, I will
[22:09:24]	<Hunterj>	OK
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[22:09:37]	<Haydos271>	Like "Ratchet & Clank glitches" or something?
[22:09:38]	<Hunterj>	I think that's the best option, and when it's complete we should delete
[22:09:43]	<HiQu_>	oh great. IE crash
[22:09:46]	<HiQu_>	how do you ghost again
[22:09:46]	<Hunterj>	No, I mean into existing articles
[22:09:51]	<Haydos271>	Okay
[22:10:05]	<Hunterj>	Like the goodies menu
[22:10:12]	<Hunterj>	IIRC we have/should have an article for that
[22:10:13]	<Tigernose>	/msg nickserv ghost <nickname> <password>
[22:10:17]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, we did.
[22:10:20]	<HiQu_>	ty
[22:10:22]	<Tigernose>	And it was deleted right?
[22:10:24]	<Hunterj>	"Go to VG 9000 and begin a Vid-Comic then press up up down down left right circle square square. This will put Captain Qwark in a tutu."
[22:10:29]	<Tigernose>	HiQu, I might be wrong I dunno
[22:10:34]	<Tigernose>	I haven't ghosted for ages
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[22:10:40]	<Hunterj>	That would go on teh article about Qwark's tutu or something (we have an artice like that)
[22:10:44]	<Tigernose>	Found in teh VG 9000 article
[22:10:47]	<Tigernose>	Already
[22:10:52]	<Hunterj>	OK
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[22:11:14]	<Hunterj>	Either way, if Haydos271 can go through the article checking evereything is elsewhere, and then we'll delete it
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[22:11:20]	<Hunterj>	That ok?
[22:11:28]	<Tigernose>	One min
[22:11:30]	<kev>	Yes
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[22:11:38]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Cheats_Menu
[22:11:41]	<Tigernose>	Look
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[22:11:48]	=-=	Kev is now known as Guest64650
[22:11:48]	<goldbolt>	sorry about leaving
[22:11:48]	=-=	Guest64650 is now known as kevandersen
[22:11:53]	<goldbolt>	internet crashed
[22:11:53]	<jeanne>	that's fine
[22:12:00]	<jeanne>	about the leaving bit I mean
[22:12:01]	<Tigernose>	Ratchet & Clank section needs expansion
[22:12:08]	<Tigernose>	"In the first game, they could be unlocked by doing secret codes"
[22:12:17]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: That's for skill point cheats only
[22:12:35]	<Hunterj>	Oh, did the first game not use SKill point cheats?
[22:12:39]	<Hunterj>	I can't remember
[22:12:41]	<Tigernose>	So where do the first game cheats go?
[22:12:42]	<kevandersen>	In the Ratchet & Clank section
[22:12:43]	<Tigernose>	Because they were deleted
[22:12:49]	<Tigernose>	YEs Hunterj, they used the cheat codes
[22:12:50]	<Tiku-Orava>	nope R&C had no skill point cheats
[22:12:55]	<kevandersen>	It doesn't say what the cheats do..
[22:12:56]	<Tigernose>	And they were in the deleted article
[22:13:01]	<kevandersen>	Hmm
[22:13:07]	<kevandersen>	I'll sort it out tomorrow
[22:13:11]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: They hardly were... that article was appalling.
[22:13:27]	<Tigernose>	There was an article that was really good though, I just can't remember
[22:13:36]	<Tigernose>	Well I guess most of the cheat codes can be found in the Cheats article
[22:13:40]	<Tigernose>	Just move that to somewhere
[22:13:41]	<Hunterj>	OK, and Haydos it the R&C cheat codes can go there, teh rest needs splitting up. Let me know when it's ready for deletion
[22:13:54]	<Tigernose>	Right
[22:13:54]	<kevandersen>	Okay
[22:13:55]	<jeanne>	what do you mean by skill point cheats? a certain number of skill points activates a cheat?
[22:13:56]	<Tigernose>	Good
[22:13:56]	<kevandersen>	Will do
[22:13:56]	<Hunterj>	ok
[22:13:58]	<Tigernose>	Moving on?
[22:13:59]	<Hunterj>	Thanks
[22:14:01]	<Tigernose>	jeanne, yes
[22:14:03]	<jeanne>	ah
[22:14:07]	<Tigernose>	R&C 1 didn't have that
[22:14:08]	<jeanne>	I though R&C had that.
[22:14:10]	<Tigernose>	It had cheat codes
[22:14:17]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 23: Batalians”
[22:14:18]	<Drophyd167b>	In relevance to the RYNO IV topic, looking through a guide on GameFAQs, the guy names the RYNO IV upgrade as "RYNO 4 EVER", I'll keep looking.
[22:14:28]	<Hunterj>	Commando and Deserter are both native to planet Batalia. We should find a name for the species. HiQu
[22:14:32]	<Tigernose>	I always thought they were Novalian
[22:14:38]	<jeanne>	Batalian?
[22:14:43]	<Tigernose>	In fact I was going to put this in, but I guess HiQu is right about a separate race
[22:14:46]	<Hunterj>	The deserte is Novalian
[22:14:47]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Deserter
[22:14:55]	<Hunterj>	Commando is unknown
[22:14:56]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Deserter
[22:14:56]	<Tigernose>	Jeanne, two similar characters in one planet called Batalia
[22:15:00]	<jeanne>	oh
[22:15:07]	<Tigernose>	Must be part of a race
[22:15:08]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: you pasting comments still?
[22:15:13]	<Tigernose>	I think we have to do the same with Rilgarian
[22:15:16]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, no comments
[22:15:21]	<Hunterj>	ok
[22:15:27]	<Tigernose>	This would mean having "blue humanoid" etc right?
[22:15:30]	<Tigernose>	Not just batalian
[22:15:31]	<kevandersen>	Well, there is no proof that they are Batalians
[22:15:37]	<Tiku-Orava>	no proof...
[22:15:42]	<Hunterj>	They're homeworld is Batalia
[22:15:48]	<kevandersen>	Because as an army they could have been sent from another planet
[22:15:49]	<Tiku-Orava>	where do you nkow?
[22:15:49]	<Tigernose>	Look on Deserter
[22:15:54]	<Tigernose>	It even says he's Novalian
[22:15:56]	<Hunterj>	But Deserter is apparantly known as Novalian
[22:15:57]	<kevandersen>	Didn't see that, sorry
[22:16:11]	<Hunterj>	I know from the articles
[22:16:15]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, I think I wrote that down
[22:16:16]	<Hunterj>	Not sourced though
[22:16:18]	<Tigernose>	Because they look similar
[22:16:23]	<Hunterj>	OK...
[22:16:27]	<Hunterj>	Well that needs removal then
[22:16:39]	<Hunterj>	And species should stay unkown really, it's not mentioned in the game
[22:16:46]	<Hunterj>	IMO
[22:16:48]	<Tigernose>	"The race was native to the planet Novalis, and therefore gathered the name "Novalian". The Novalis Chairman, The Plumber, The Deserter, and possibly The Miner were members of this race."
[22:17:01]	<Tigernose>	They ALL look Novalian
[22:17:06]	<Tigernose>	And the Miner was from Hoven
[22:17:40]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/File:Commando.png
[22:17:40]	<kevandersen>	Although
[22:17:43]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/File:Plumber_Comparison.JPG
[22:17:51]	<kevandersen>	Hoven was known to be a great place for mining
[22:17:52]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Miner.png
[22:18:03]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Deserter
[22:18:06]	<Tigernose>	They all look Novalian
[22:18:33]	<Tiku-Orava>	miner is too blue imo
[22:18:40]	<jeanne>	the miner kind of looks a bit different
[22:18:44]	<kevandersen>	So The Miner may have came from Novalis to Hoven for mining purposes
[22:19:02]	<kevandersen>	Yeah, I think The Miner looks too blue
[22:19:02]	<Tigernose>	So forget the Miner
[22:19:10]	<Tigernose>	But Batalian = Novalian ?
[22:19:12]	<Hunterj>	OK, essentially this is all conjecture though
[22:19:20]	<kevandersen>	Yeah
[22:19:22]	<Hunterj>	Really the species are unknown
[22:19:24]	<Tigernose>	But we need to decide if they're both Novalian
[22:19:25]	<Hunterj>	Perhaps similar
[22:19:32]	<Hunterj>	Novalian's also conjecture
[22:19:32]	<kevandersen>	Hmmm
[22:19:33]	<Tigernose>	Yeah we should call all Batalians "unknown"
[22:19:34]	<Hunterj>	So do we?
[22:19:36]	<HiQu>	commando and deserter look same
[22:19:39]	<Tigernose>	Novalian is pretty much proben
[22:19:40]	<kevandersen>	I'm neutral
[22:19:45]	<HiQu>	commando just has uniform that blocks spikes
[22:19:50]	<Hunterj>	Yes
[22:19:54]	<Tigernose>	*proven, but you could say the same for Batalalian
[22:20:06]	<Tigernose>	:S
[22:20:09]	<Hunterj>	They probbl are of the same species, but that species is still conjecture
[22:20:17]	<HiQu>	i think its just a race that appears around solana. its not native to novalis or anything
[22:20:18]	<Hunterj>	That's the problem IMO
[22:20:23]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[22:20:39]	<Tigernose>	I know
[22:20:41]	<kevandersen>	Solanian?
[22:20:49]	<Tigernose>	Let's just call them all a "unknown humanoid blue race" thing
[22:20:51]	<HiQu>	so just blue humanoid species and planets that it appears on should be in the home world
[22:20:54]	<Tigernose>	And say they appear around Solana
[22:20:58]	<HiQu>	yeah
[22:20:58]	<kevandersen>	Yeah, something like that
[22:20:58]	<Tigernose>	Instead of excluding them to Novalis
[22:21:07]	<Tigernose>	Or Batalia
[22:21:10]	* Tiku-Orava	agrees
[22:21:13]	<Hunterj>	Ok, anyone volunteering to sort this out?
[22:21:15]	<Tigernose>	Me
[22:21:20]	<Hunterj>	ok
[22:21:24]	<Hunterj>	Right, moving oin
[22:21:26]	* kevandersen	is out for this one
[22:21:26]	<Drophyd167b>	Errrrr...if we don't know where they come from, don't list a homeworld
[22:21:27]	<Tigernose>	I won't be back until 6pm though, after 2pm
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[22:21:33]	<Hunterj>	*on
[22:21:34]	<HiQu>	isnt that jowai resort owner also from that species
[22:22:00]	<Tigernose>	Oh yeah
[22:22:04]	<Tigernose>	So they may all just be Solanian
[22:22:14]	<Haydos271>	Like I said
[22:22:16]	<Hunterj>	Even that name is conejcture
[22:22:18]	<Drophyd167b>	Hello?
[22:22:19]	<Haydos271>	Yeah
[22:22:24]	<Hunterj>	We just need to say they#re of the same species
[22:22:25]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[22:22:30]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[22:22:32]	<Hunterj>	Nothing more.
[22:22:36]	<Tigernose>	And use a broad name
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[22:22:40]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes, but don't list a homeworld
[22:22:42]	<Tigernose>	Like we did for Rilgarian (unknown blue humanoid)
[22:22:43]	<jeanne>	Solanian makes me think he comes from the Solana galaxy
[22:22:46]	<Hunterj>	yes
[22:22:48]	<Tigernose>	Just list lots of worlds they appear in
[22:22:55]	<Tigernose>	We can't call them Solanian
[22:23:04]	<Tigernose>	That would defeat the purpose of the established Rilgarian
[22:23:08]	<Hunterj>	yeah, but it's still conjecture
[22:23:17]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Jowai_Resort_Owner
[22:23:24]	<Haydos271>	I don't think there is any way to avoid conjecture
[22:23:29]	<Drophyd167b>	So don't put anything under "Homeworld" in the infobox
[22:23:30]	<Haydos271>	Because there is no name confirmed
[22:23:32]	<Tiku-Orava>	when you are designing a game, you don't start thinking names for minor characters, they are usually made up late in production
[22:23:32]	<Tigernose>	This guy was probably Rilgarian but he's separate
[22:23:35]	<Hunterj>	it's all non-canon fan stuff, so we shouldn't be using species names that aren't mentioned in game.
[22:23:47]	<Tigernose>	So no Solanian
[22:23:48]	<jeanne>	yes
[22:23:53]	<Tigernose>	Just a broad name
[22:24:01]	<Haydos271>	Just a description, like "Unknown blue humanoid"
[22:24:05]	<Hunterj>	That would be ok
[22:24:12]	<Drophyd167b>	Do what they do with Yoda's Species and call it the Plumber's species
[22:24:12]	<Hunterj>	We should probably still use {{conjecture}}
[22:24:23]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[22:24:23]	<Haydos271>	Yes
[22:24:26]	<Drophyd167b>	That way it doesn't clog up articles
[22:24:34]	<Haydos271>	Because there no name confirmed, Hunterj
[22:24:41]	<Tigernose>	Drophyd, no just a long name
[22:24:45]	<Tigernose>	Liek we did with Rilgarian
[22:24:57]	<Hunterj>	ok
[22:25:05]	<Haydos271>	Unknown blue humanoid does it for me
[22:25:06]	<Tigernose>	Unnamed green humanoid species = Rilgarian
[22:25:09]	<Hunterj>	So Tigernose will sort this then.
[22:25:09]	<Tigernose>	Unnamed green humanoid species
[22:25:15]	<Hunterj>	Right, thanks.
[22:25:17]	<Hunterj>	MOving on?
[22:25:17]	<Tigernose>	Unnamed blue humanoid species = "Solanian"
[22:25:19]	<Haydos271>	Unknown blue-greenish
[22:25:21]	<Tigernose>	Yes
[22:25:25]	<Tigernose>	Haydos, call em blue
[22:25:28]	<Drophyd167b>	What happens when we have the species name on other pages?
[22:25:30]	<Haydos271>	Blue
[22:25:34]	<Tigernose>	We call it that
[22:25:36]	<Drophyd167b>	Gonna be pretty long
[22:25:40]	<Tigernose>	meh
[22:25:42]	<Hunterj>	Just don't go over the top with these names, only ones with several members.
[22:25:44]	<Haydos271>	Look out for them
[22:25:45]	<Tigernose>	We can't risk calling them Solanian
[22:25:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Also, I always thought they were grey
[22:25:54]	<Tigernose>	Right moving on
[22:25:59]	<Haydos271>	Move on
[22:26:03]	<Tiku-Orava>	move on
[22:26:12]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 24: Helga's true species”
[22:26:19]	<Hunterj>	There seems to an edit war about whether Helga is a Cyborg or a Robot. Can we clarify what species she is? Haydos271
[22:26:26]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Helga
[22:26:35]	<Tigernose>	No we can't, she's a robot via all sources of the game. Speculation and theories don't really mix with a wiki. From all we know, she's a robot, we can't add onto that at all. TIGERNOSE
[22:26:36]	<HiQu>	robot
[22:26:37]	<Tigernose>	Really? I can't remember any source identifying her as a robot... The b-Unit's167th Drophyd
[22:26:42]	<jeanne>	Robt
[22:26:44]	<jeanne>	Robot.
[22:26:49]	<Haydos271>	Well, there is no showing of humanoid skin, so "robot"
[22:26:50]	<Tigernose>	I can't remember any sources by heart, but I'm sure she's robot
[22:26:57]	<Tigernose>	Who says they can't be flexible and fat
[22:27:03]	<jeanne>	cyborg is partially robot.
[22:27:13]	<Hunterj>	Robot.
[22:27:15]	<Tigernose>	I know
[22:27:25]	* Tiku-Orava	thinks she's definitely a robot
[22:27:26]	<HiQu>	cmon shes clearly a robot
[22:27:28]	<Haydos271>	Even though she's exercises alot, she doesn't lose weight, so she was made that way
[22:27:35]	<Tigernose>	"In the BETA and Demo version of Ratchet & Clank, she was originally an alien instead of a robot."
[22:27:35]	<Hunterj>	heh
[22:27:37]	<Tigernose>	How do we know this?
[22:27:40]	<Haydos271>	A.K.A. A robot
[22:27:47]	<Haydos271>	But that's not the final cut
[22:27:47]	<Drophyd167b>	A picture
[22:27:48]	<Tigernose>	The picture still looks robot
[22:27:51]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose; Stick {{fact}} on it.
[22:28:00]	<Drophyd167b>	On a slightly realated note
[22:28:03]	<Tigernose>	Still robot:
[22:28:05]	<Tigernose>	http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100213124230/ratchet/images/5/51/Helga.png
[22:28:13]	<Tigernose>	If only the Chimp-O-Matic worked in R&C 1
[22:28:24]	<Haydos271>	lol
[22:28:26]	<Drophyd167b>	We should really remove this: "She was romantically involved with Big Al. During the events of UYA, she said "Al, dear"."
[22:28:26]	<Hunterj>	heh
[22:28:33]	<Tigernose>	She still looks robot so we can delete the whole statement
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[22:28:39]	<Tigernose>	Hey
[22:28:42]	=-=	Mode #R&C +v goldbolt by Tigernose
[22:28:46]	<Haydos271>	Drophyd, it was probably sarcasm like she always uses
[22:28:47]	<goldbolt>	hi again
[22:28:53]	<Drophyd167b>	Exactly
[22:29:02]	<Drophyd167b>	That's why I'm saying remove it
[22:29:04]	<Hunterj>	It needs a clean up, but that's off topic
[22:29:05]	<Haydos271>	Yes
[22:29:11]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 25: Time Rift”
[22:29:16]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah, okay
[22:29:17]	<Hunterj>	We need to make an article about this and summarise into a informative and logical article, using the information in A Crack in Time. Remember this event links up the whole of the Zonis, Lombaxes, Fongoids, Nefarious and Clank. Even though we only see it briefly, we could take a screenshot of it as well as give in the huge amount of background information. But how do we start on it? TIGERNOSE
[22:29:22]	<Tigernose>	So she's Robot?
[22:29:30]	<jeanne>	yes
[22:29:31]	<Hunterj>	Yes
[22:29:38]	<Tigernose>	Right
[22:29:47]	<Drophyd167b>	By the way, all signs point towards "RYNO 4 Ever"
[22:30:01]	<Tigernose>	Someone, I can't remember who, said the Time Rift is very insignifcant
[22:30:02]	<Tigernose>	But it isn't
[22:30:06]	<Tigernose>	it's huge
[22:30:10]	<Tigernose>	Radio broadcasts and everything
[22:30:18]	<Tigernose>	Ice age on Sargasso for goodness sake
[22:30:22]	<Hunterj>	OK, this looks like something for you again then Tigernose?
[22:30:26]	<HiQu>	what time rift?
[22:30:28]	<Hunterj>	To set up anyway
[22:30:47]	<Tigernose>	In A Crack in Time
[22:30:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Actually, it is insignificant
[22:30:53]	<Tigernose>	Not really
[22:30:54]	<Haydos271>	The Time Rift that Ratchet went through back 10 Years to the Battle of the...something....Valley
[22:31:00]	<Tigernose>	No
[22:31:04]	<Drophyd167b>	It was reversed
[22:31:06]	<Haydos271>	Not that one?
[22:31:09]	<Tigernose>	The Time explosion
[22:31:10]	<Drophyd167b>	The stuff in ACiT is different
[22:31:12]	<Tigernose>	That thingamagic
[22:31:15]	<Haydos271>	Oh, yeah
[22:31:16]	<HiQu>	?
[22:31:21]	<Tigernose>	You know, it kinda goes BOOOM
[22:31:21]	<Drophyd167b>	It's damage to the clock
[22:31:24]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[22:31:28]	<Tigernose>	I can't remember what it's called
[22:31:32]	<Tigernose>	There should be a cutscene on YT
[22:31:38]	<Hunterj>	And it caused tme rifts on planets, is that hwat you're saying?
[22:31:41]	<Haydos271>	Of course, that one. I ain't good with Future series
[22:31:43]	<HiQu>	that thing that damager ratchets ship
[22:31:44]	<Tigernose>	So I wouldn't really be best with this
[22:31:46]	<Hunterj>	And we need to look at the effects of these rifts?
[22:31:48]	<Tigernose>	Yes, HiQu
[22:31:50]	<HiQu>	ok
[22:31:58]	<Haydos271>	Aren't those time anomalies?
[22:31:58]	<Tigernose>	Also, we need to hurry up a little
[22:32:03]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[22:32:04]	<Tigernose>	Haydos, but the huge explosion?
[22:32:04]	<Drophyd167b>	The time rift you're thinking of is different
[22:32:09]	<Hunterj>	I don't understand what you mean Tigernose?
[22:32:12]	<Drophyd167b>	Hello?
[22:32:12]	<Tigernose>	Yeah I don't know the difference
[22:32:16]	<Haydos271>	Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of
[22:32:19]	<Drophyd167b>	Is anyone listening to me?
[22:32:20]	<Tigernose>	The thing that destroyyed the ship
[22:32:25]	<Haydos271>	I'm listening
[22:32:27]	* Haydos271	listens
[22:32:30]	<Tigernose>	Yep
[22:32:35]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: yeah, I understand what you mean.
[22:32:37]	<Tigernose>	Orvus explained it in a cutscene
[22:32:41]	<HiQu>	in the beginning cutscene the thing that caused ratchet to land to the jungle
[22:32:47]	<Drophyd167b>	The explosion and the subsequent time rift is different from the accidents in ACiT
[22:32:49]	<Tigernose>	I think it was caused by the Fongoid's overzealous use of time travel
[22:32:58]	<Haydos271>	It was
[22:33:00]	<Drophyd167b>	The explosion was yes
[22:33:14]	<Drophyd167b>	But the stuff in ACiT was caused by Nefarious
[22:33:15]	<Tigernose>	And that caused the ice age in Sargasso and etc
[22:33:24]	<Hunterj>	Oh, right Tigernose. you mean the thing at the start of ACiT, not the anomalies.
[22:33:25]	<Drophyd167b>	No, it didn't
[22:33:34]	<Tigernose>	Anomalies were caused by it right?
[22:33:37]	<Tigernose>	Time crisis
[22:33:38]	<Drophyd167b>	Nefarious caused that
[22:33:39]	<Tigernose>	There we go
[22:33:43]	<Hunterj>	The anomalies were due to Nefarious IIRC?
[22:33:47]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes
[22:33:49]	<Haydos271>	I don't remember an ice age, gah! I haven't played those games :(
[22:33:52]	<Tigernose>	Are you sure?
[22:33:56]	<Tigernose>	It was in the radio broadcast
[22:33:59]	<HiQu>	me neither
[22:33:59]	<Hunterj>	And they caused the ice age on Sargasso
[22:34:01]	<Drophyd167b>	The explosion is completely different
[22:34:02]	<Tigernose>	The Time crisis caused so much stuff
[22:34:04]	<HiQu>	ok
[22:34:14]	<Tigernose>	They're the same I think
[22:34:14]	<Hunterj>	ok, so the rift is the bit at the start.
[22:34:18]	<HiQu>	so
[22:34:23]	<Hunterj>	Then the rest is anomallies by nefarious
[22:34:29]	<Tigernose>	I think we should postpone this until we get more info.
[22:34:34]	<HiQu>	if the time rift started when fongoids caused it how did it reach ratchet so late
[22:34:36]	* Haydos271	is going to leave this one to you guys
[22:34:37]	<Tigernose>	And plus we need to hurry up, so let's put this on hold.
[22:34:37]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: Open a forum
[22:34:41]	<Drophyd167b>	No the rift is the thing the Clock was built for
[22:34:41]	<Tigernose>	I'll research afterwards
[22:34:43]	<Tigernose>	Yes
[22:34:47]	<Hunterj>	ok
[22:34:49]	<Tigernose>	Right next
[22:34:49]	<Hunterj>	A forum then
[22:34:51]	<Tigernose>	Yep
[22:35:09]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 26: Struck from agenda”
[22:35:29]	<Drophyd167b>	Go on?
[22:35:30]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 27: 3 revert rule”
[22:35:33]	<Hunterj>	Sorry
[22:35:39]	<Tigernose>	It was struck?
[22:35:41]	<Hunterj>	useful when there's a conflict of interest in an article and two parties or more are continuously reverting/undoing each other. I've witnessed a lot of this when I wasn't really active on wiki. // Nifky
[22:35:46]	<Tigernose>	Oh it was
[22:35:59]	<Drophyd167b>	My fault, one of 'em
[22:36:01]	<Hunterj>	jeanne?
[22:36:03]	<jeanne>	had a lot earlier this year
[22:36:09]	<Tigernose>	This would be hard to manage
[22:36:10]	<jeanne>	on various articles.
[22:36:18]	<Haydos271>	Hmmmm
[22:36:19]	<Tigernose>	I think it should be put to effect with restrictions
[22:36:25]	<Hunterj>	Yeah, we had one where I had to lock the page
[22:36:25]	* Haydos271	thinks
[22:36:28]	<Tigernose>	Like an article tagged with "potential for edit war"
[22:36:28]	<jeanne>	The death article is the particular one of them
[22:36:34]	<Drophyd167b>	Tigernose: I meant Hunterj wasn't changing the agenda
[22:36:35]	<Tigernose>	Has the rule applied to it
[22:36:37]	<Tigernose>	That's my idea
[22:37:00]	<Hunterj>	I'm not sure we need it anymore.
[22:37:01]	<Tigernose>	Drophyd167b, Yeah I know. I didn't know it was struck.
[22:37:03]	<Hunterj>	In all honesty
[22:37:14]	<Haydos271>	Everyone should just understand that if you don't see them die, then they can possibly be alive
[22:37:23]	<Tigernose>	Yeah, that's the thing
[22:37:31]	<Drophyd167b>	Is Death still a problem?
[22:37:32]	<Tigernose>	Either should be applied in certain times
[22:37:38]	<Haydos271>	Not much, Drophyd
[22:37:42]	<Drophyd167b>	K
[22:37:47]	<Haydos271>	We seemed to have sorted it out
[22:37:53]	<jeanne>	what I mean is by the 'three revert rule' is when people edit a page, another person can revert them, but after they get reverted they can't undo that revision;
[22:37:57]	<Drophyd167b>	Ah, all right
[22:37:57]	<Haydos271>	When that david agoado went
[22:38:07]	<Tigernose>	Jeanne, I know, but do we need it anymore?
[22:38:10]	<jeanne>	in april or may
[22:38:16]	<Haydos271>	So you can't revert someone's revert
[22:38:21]	<jeanne>	Tigernose: Death article sometimes gets heated
[22:38:26]	<Drophyd167b>	Sorry about the January one with Lombax Warrior anyway
[22:38:27]	<jeanne>	we might need this in the future too
[22:38:31]	<Tigernose>	This is what I was thinking
[22:38:33]	<jeanne>	no, that's fine
[22:38:40]	<Tigernose>	Certain pages should be tagged with "potential for edit war"
[22:38:42]	<jeanne>	we should all learn from our mistakes
[22:38:48]	<Tigernose>	And should be monitered with the rule
[22:38:50]	<Haydos271>	But I guess anyone would edit the page and just put back whatever was reverted
[22:38:55]	<jeanne>	Haydos271: yes, that's the general idea
[22:38:58]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[22:38:59]	<Haydos271>	I agree with Tigernose
[22:39:03]	<jeanne>	unless it's blatant vandalism
[22:39:11]	<Haydos271>	Yeah lol
[22:39:11]	<Hunterj>	I don't like the idea of templates
[22:39:11]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj?
[22:39:18]	<Tigernose>	Just a category
[22:39:27]	<Haydos271>	That might work
[22:39:33]	<Tigernose>	A template with no visual formatting
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[22:39:38]	<Tigernose>	Hey!
[22:39:40]	<Hunterj>	and the problem I have with introducing a policy like this is that it's not necessaary atm, there are otehr ways of dealing with this, and the exceptions.
[22:39:43]	<Haydos271>	Yo Techno
[22:39:45]	<jeanne>	hi Technobilterator
[22:39:46]	<goldbolt>	hi
[22:39:48]	<Technobliterator>	Hi!
[22:39:49]	=-=	Mode #R&C +v Technobliterator by Hunterj
[22:39:56]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, that's one of the problems
[22:40:01]	<Tigernose>	Ooh I'm running out of time.
[22:40:12]	<jeanne>	:(
[22:40:19]	<Drophyd167b>	I agree with this
[22:40:28]	<Haydos271>	20 minutes until I'm gone :(
[22:40:28]	<Technobliterator>	What's this?
[22:40:29]	<Hunterj>	Personally i don't want the rule, at least atm. I think thre are other ways of dealing wih edit wars.
[22:40:34]	<Tigernose>	Yeah I suppose
[22:40:44]	<Tigernose>	Technobliterator, the IRC meeting or the topic?
[22:40:54]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: Are you ok with leaving it? Or...
[22:40:56]	<Technobliterator>	Sorry i was late
[22:41:10]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: Whatever you think's best of course.
[22:41:15]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: Or we could just vote.
[22:41:21]	<jeanne>	hmm, don't think we have a clear consensus yet
[22:41:26]	<jeanne>	try votign
[22:41:30]	<Hunterj>	OK
[22:41:47]	* Drophyd167b	votes for the rule
[22:41:55]	<Drophyd167b>	Provided it's flexible
[22:41:56]	<Hunterj>	Option 1 - The creation of a 3 revert rule
[22:41:58]	* Tigernose	doesn't, not needed per Hunterj
[22:42:07]	<Drophyd167b>	Such as reverting troll edits
[22:42:09]	<Hunterj>	Option 2 - No creation of a 3 revert rule
[22:42:15]	* Tigernose	votes 2
[22:42:16]	* Hunterj	Votes for option 2
[22:42:16]	<jeanne>	I don't know whether I can vote for my idea
[22:42:20]	<Tigernose>	Too hard to manage
[22:42:22]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: you can.
[22:42:22]	<goldbolt>	option 2
[22:42:24]	<jeanne>	so just going to leave it open
[22:42:24]	* Drophyd167b	votes 1
[22:42:24]	<Tigernose>	You can
[22:42:27]	* HiQu	neutral
[22:42:27]	<Tigernose>	Obviouslly
[22:42:28]	* Haydos271	votes for 2
[22:42:32]	* jeanne	votes 1
[22:42:43]	<Technobliterator>	How do I do vote?
[22:42:49]	<Tigernose>	Type this in:
[22:42:54]	<Haydos271>	People are obviously gonna go out of their way to manually put their "work" back
[22:42:55]	<Tigernose>	/me votes for
[22:42:58]	<Tigernose>	And choose the one
[22:43:04]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah, but Haydos
[22:43:05]	<jeanne>	1 is for, 2 is against
[22:43:08]	* Technobliterator	votes for 1
[22:43:10]	<Drophyd167b>	It stops this happening:
[22:43:13]	<Tigernose>	4-3
[22:43:17]	<Drophyd167b>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Angela_Cross&offset=20100114112431&showall=0&action=history
[22:43:20]	<Tiku-Orava>	my mouse broke again :(
[22:43:30]	<Tiku-Orava>	sorry for inactiviness
[22:43:32]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: as it stands Option 2 wins, however feel free to open a forum about it.
[22:43:34]	<Tigernose>	lol ouch
[22:43:37]	<jeanne>	ok
[22:43:42]	<Haydos271>	Woah
[22:43:43]	<Technobliterator>	:O
[22:43:46]	<Tigernose>	It would just be too hard to manage in my opinion
[22:43:47]	<Drophyd167b>	lol
[22:43:48]	* Haydos271	votes neutral
[22:44:00]	* Tiku-Orava	votes for 2
[22:44:02]	<Tigernose>	We should just leave it as it is and deal with each thing separately
[22:44:03]	<Hunterj>	Anyway, decided for now.
[22:44:04]	<Technobliterator>	That's a lot of undos
[22:44:04]	<jeanne>	we had a partocular problem with David agoado earlier in the year.
[22:44:07]	<Tigernose>	Yep
[22:44:14]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 28: Struck from agenda”
[22:44:14]	<Tigernose>	Was that in Death>
[22:44:15]	<Technobliterator>	we could do with this rule
[22:44:18]	<Haydos271>	Yes, as I said earlier
[22:44:19]	<Drophyd167b>	Not as bad as that though
[22:44:22]	<Hunterj>	Open a forum for further discussion
[22:44:28]	<Tigernose>	Yeah leave it to a forum
[22:44:35]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 29: Humans or humans”
[22:44:38]	<Tigernose>	It's a good idea but needs to be built up to work
[22:44:41]	<Tigernose>	No comments here
[22:44:43]	<Hunterj>	Since non-human races name's are capitalised, would it be plausible to capitalise every mention of Humans? It already has been done on Wookiepedia, the Star Wars wiki. Also, it might be an idea to capitalise the names of non-human earth animals too. Grind3r
[22:44:53]	<Hunterj>	I have one comment to make: Humans are not mentioned in R&C universe
[22:44:57]	<Tigernose>	I think it shouldn't be capitalised. As they don't appear in the game, we should use them as the real life context
[22:44:57]	<Hunterj>	Therefore it's irrelevant
[22:45:05]	<Hunterj>	Exactly.
[22:45:12]	<Tigernose>	Anyone else?
[22:45:13]	<Drophyd167b>	Well, if we were reffering to real life
[22:45:18]	<Haydos271>	Humans are a species and the others are capitalised, but it will probably take too much and there are so little mentions of humans, if none
[22:45:19]	<Hunterj>	Real life = humans
[22:45:20]	<Technobliterator>	Well
[22:45:27]	<Haydos271>	So I vote for human
[22:45:32]	<Technobliterator>	do we capitalise Humans in everyday life?
[22:45:34]	<Tigernose>	We're using them in the context of real life anyway
[22:45:34]	<jeanne>	lowercase for me
[22:45:36]	<Technobliterator>	I say humans
[22:45:37]	<Tigernose>	Techno, no
[22:45:37]	<Hunterj>	Per the MOS they shouldn't be capitalised in real life articles, IIRC
[22:45:38]	* Haydos271	votes for not capital
[22:45:40]	<Tigernose>	That's the thing
[22:45:45]	<Hunterj>	so I don't think we vote
[22:45:55]	<Tigernose>	When they're mentioned in-universe, it's only speculation and therefore IRL
[22:45:59]	<Tigernose>	And therefore uncaptialised
[22:46:00]	<Drophyd167b>	although I have a hard time seeing us referring to James Stevenson as " a human male"
[22:46:06]	<Drophyd167b>	Sorry
[22:46:08]	<Hunterj>	Exactly
[22:46:09]	<Tigernose>	We don't
[22:46:11]	<Haydos271>	Lol
[22:46:12]	<Haydos271>	Exactly
[22:46:17]	<Hunterj>	So it's irrelevant anyway.
[22:46:19]	* Technobliterator	vote for not capital
[22:46:19]	<Tigernose>	Only appears in Speculation
[22:46:23]	<Haydos271>	So lets leave this one
[22:46:27]	<Haydos271>	?
[22:46:34]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 30: Reporting problems with pages”
[22:46:36]	<Tigernose>	Agreed to be lowecasE?
[22:46:36]	* Drophyd167b	votes neutral
[22:46:37]	<Technobliterator>	Don't capitalise Humans
[22:46:37]	<Tigernose>	Okay
[22:46:39]	<jeanne>	yes
[22:46:43]	<Drophyd167b>	Nevermind
[22:46:50]	<Drophyd167b>	It doesn't matter anyway
[22:47:00]	<Hunterj>	this tool seems to be empty when it does have some use e.g. Creating paint jobs, but not knowing what it looks like. Reporting a problem is like a notice board for users, so if they are bored on the wiki, they can try and fix problems. Should this tool be used more, or should it be not used and forgotten? HaYdOs271
[22:47:01]	<Drophyd167b>	not needed
[22:47:02]	<Tigernose>	The tool shouldn't me misused, but it has great potential. A great way to boost awareness would be to modify a couple of MediaWiki messages to make it more noticable, and to leave messages everywhere for new users to use this. --Tigernose
[22:47:04]	<Tigernose>	Personally I prefer using talk pages. I don't mind users using it however, as I do check the report page regularly. Hunterj
[22:47:17]	<Drophyd167b>	Sorry
[22:47:17]	<Hunterj>	Ah, it already exists
[22:47:22]	<Hunterj>	So it's best to use a talk apge
[22:47:26]	<Hunterj>	For any problems with articles
[22:47:28]	<Technobliterator>	I think this is confusing
[22:47:32]	<jeanne>	same
[22:47:35]	<Technobliterator>	Don;t get it
[22:47:35]	<Hunterj>	but you can report a problem and admins check on a special page
[22:47:37]	<Tigernose>	Report tool was good on other wikis
[22:47:43]	<Haydos271>	Yeah, and the most problems can be fixed by experienced users
[22:47:45]	<jeanne>	there's a 'report a problem with this page' at the bottom of the page
[22:47:47]	<Technobliterator>	What, like delete template?
[22:47:50]	<Haydos271>	And there aren't that many problems
[22:47:55]	=-=	HiQu is now known as HiQu|Food
[22:47:57]	<HiQu|Food>	per nick
[22:48:00]	<Hunterj>	Ok
[22:48:04]	<Tigernose>	Well my two cents is that it worked well on the CPW
[22:48:05]	<jeanne>	and there's the talk page for general content discussion/whatever
[22:48:13]	<Tigernose>	A lot of users reported problems that were quickly fixed
[22:48:17]	<Technobliterator>	Well if there;s no problems, go for it
[22:48:19]	<Hunterj>	The report a problem button should be used, but generally the talk page is MUCH better to use
[22:48:20]	<Haydos271>	Yes
[22:48:26]	<Haydos271>	And if there is a major problem
[22:48:28]	<Technobliterator>	I say go for it
[22:48:33]	<Haydos271>	Not regarding a user
[22:48:35]	<Hunterj>	It already exists...
[22:48:38]	<jeanne>	the report a problem can only be accessed by admins, vstf, staff to fix
[22:48:40]	<Technobliterator>	Ohlol
[22:48:41]	<Haydos271>	User project comes to mind
[22:48:49]	<Drophyd167b>	per Hunterj
[22:48:50]	<Hunterj>	Talk pages are better as as everyone can view them
[22:48:53]	<jeanne>	talk page is for anyone
[22:48:53]	<jeanne>	yes
[22:48:58]	<Haydos271>	Yes
[22:48:58]	<Technobliterator>	sorry guys just I haven't been keeping up with the wiki lately
[22:49:06]	<Hunterj>	So there's no decision to be made here:
[22:49:08]	=-=	Haydos271 is now known as Haydos271|Away
[22:49:17]	<Hunterj>	essentially it's a case of use a talk page, or use the report a problem button.
[22:49:34]	<Hunterj>	If you report a problem and admin will sort it, or, more likely move it onto a talk page.
[22:49:37]	<Hunterj>	*an
[22:49:39]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[22:49:42]	<Technobliterator>	Hey is it too late to make a topic?
[22:49:49]	<Tigernose>	So we keep reports but don't emphasise?
[22:49:50]	<Hunterj>	Technobliterator: At the end
[22:49:55]	<Tigernose>	Techno, you can add it at the end
[22:50:02]	<Hunterj>	Technobliterator: Don't add it to the agenda though
[22:50:02]	<Technobliterator>	Yeah
[22:50:19]	<Technobliterator>	do I have to add it to the IRC project page
[22:50:21]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 31: User templates”
[22:50:25]	<Hunterj>	Technobliterator: no.
[22:50:32]	<Hunterj>	I have seen that when mentioning a list of users, the editor must use [[User:Haydos271|Haydos271]] over and over again, which leads me to the idea of having a template, like {{userpage|Haydos271}}, so that a user can type in the user's name without repeating. HaYdOs271
[22:50:38]	<jeanne>	users can do the 'report a problem' button if they want but the general idea is towards the talk page
[22:50:47]	=-=	Haydos271|Away is now known as Haydos271
[22:50:54]	<Hunterj>	{{userpage|Haydos271}} is almost as long [[User:Haydos271|Haydos271]]. IMO it's a little unnecessary
[22:50:58]	<Tigernose>	I had a similar idea, but I thought it'd be easier if each user had a template and they could just call it {{Tigernose}}, instead of a parameter which makes it redundant because it's already long. We'd have some naming problems though,definitely.--Tigerno se
[22:51:05]	<Haydos271>	yeah
[22:51:07]	<Tigernose>	Why would we need a personal template if we can simply type "~~~" for our signature or "~~~~" for our signature and timestamp?--• Grind3r
[22:51:10]	<jeanne>	I don't think it's really needed in a way
[22:51:10]	<goldbolt>	i gotta go
[22:51:12]	<Tigernose>	It would be already too long
[22:51:15]	<jeanne>	bye goldbolt
[22:51:15]	<Drophyd167b>	Just what I was about to say
[22:51:18]	<goldbolt>	i wont be back
[22:51:20]	<Tigernose>	So I'm thinking, people can make it for themselves if they want to
[22:51:20]	<goldbolt>	bye
[22:51:21]	<Tigernose>	Okay bye
[22:51:23]	<Technobliterator>	The template wouldn't be too tricky
[22:51:23]	<Hunterj>	Ok ,bye
[22:51:26]	<Technobliterator>	see goldbolt
[22:51:27]	|<--	goldbolt has left freenode (Quit: Page closed)
[22:51:28]	<Drophyd167b>	I meant what Hunterj said
[22:51:29]	<Tiku-Orava>	bye
[22:51:36]	<Hunterj>	It'd be a little pointless IMO
[22:51:37]	<Technobliterator>	cya
[22:51:38]	<Tigernose>	I think people can just make it for themselves if they want to, no parameters.
[22:51:42]	<Haydos271>	The tildes are useless for just names
[22:51:45]	<Technobliterator>	Well I mean
[22:51:55]	<Tigernose>	Tidles are for sigs and not userpage links...
[22:51:57]	<Technobliterator>	it saves 1 second of your life
[22:52:03]	=-=	Haydos271 is now known as HaYdOs271
[22:52:05]	<jeanne>	Haydos271: but it's in the form of a custom sig or default. :)
[22:52:14]	<Hunterj>	"It'd be a little pointless IMO" :)
[22:52:23]	<HaYdOs271>	Yeah...maybe...
[22:52:29]	<Drophyd167b>	I prefer typing it out manually, so I'm neutral
[22:52:32]	<jeanne>	Tigernose: ~~~ is for just the custom sig without the timestamp.
[22:52:37]	<Hunterj>	I can see what you mean, but a little pointless...
[22:52:40]	* Tiku-Orava	doesn't support this
[22:52:46]	<Tigernose>	I know, but that's still pointless formatting
[22:52:53]	* Drophyd167b	becomes neutral
[22:52:53]	<Tigernose>	We're referring to a simple userpage link
[22:52:56]	<Hunterj>	HaYdOs271: Do you still want to vote over it, or leave it?
[22:53:00]	<Tigernose>	[[User:Tigernose|Tigernose]]
[22:53:04]	<HaYdOs271>	Well....
[22:53:07]	<HaYdOs271>	Leave it
[22:53:12]	<Hunterj>	Right, ok.
[22:53:13]	<HaYdOs271>	Not much of a problem
[22:53:14]	<Tigernose>	I think we should just leave it but allow people to make their own if they want to
[22:53:19]	<HaYdOs271>	Yeah, I agree
[22:53:28]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 32: Voting tallies”
[22:53:28]	<jeanne>	yes
[22:53:35]	<Hunterj>	I was just thinking if we should have the vote difference next to the name of the subject we're voting on. This means if 3 support and 1 against, the vote difference would be +2. That would be indiciated as in this example: ==Subject 1 (+2)== --Tigernose
[22:53:36]	<HaYdOs271>	Yes
[22:53:43]	<Hunterj>	I don't want this feature
[22:53:45]	<Tigernose>	No comments here
[22:53:55]	* Technobliterator	votes no
[22:53:56]	<Hunterj>	the normal tallies aren't updated as it is
[22:53:58]	<HaYdOs271>	Agreed, doesn't take time, but a little useless
[22:54:02]	<jeanne>	usually our votes are easy to count
[22:54:05]	<Hunterj>	Also it's simple maths. ;)
[22:54:05]	<Tigernose>	I think it's a lot easier to keep track, and it works in CPW, but it may not be updated here unlike in CPW
[22:54:09]	<HaYdOs271>	Yeah
[22:54:09]	<Technobliterator>	Bit pointless
[22:54:14]	<Tigernose>	So it's a matter of place
[22:54:15]	<Technobliterator>	if you ask me
[22:54:16]	<Hunterj>	And not every oppose vote counts as a minus vote
[22:54:16]	<jeanne>	sometimes users forget to update the number in the bracket.s
[22:54:16]	* HaYdOs271	votes against
[22:54:18]	<Tigernose>	And I don't think it'd work here
[22:54:26]	<Drophyd167b>	I remember one of the pages says "oppose" votes don't count
[22:54:28]	* Technobliterator	thinks it's pointless
[22:54:30]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, plus we have the infinite minus rule as well right?
[22:54:31]	<Hunterj>	Yeah, it's good for some wikis but not us ATM
[22:54:35]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[22:54:36]	<Drophyd167b>	How does that work?
[22:54:40]	<Tigernose>	So it won't work
[22:54:41]	<Technobliterator>	It doesn't
[22:54:47]	<Hunterj>	For the GA for example any reasonable opposition vote stops it from being passed
[22:54:47]	<Tigernose>	lol
[22:54:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Sorry
[22:54:52]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[22:54:56]	<Hunterj>	until it's fixed
[22:55:00]	<Hunterj>	so that's not minus one
[22:55:06]	* Hunterj	votes against
[22:55:07]	<Technobliterator>	Seconded
[22:55:12]	<Tigernose>	Per Hunterj
[22:55:18]	* Technobliterator	says it's pointless
[22:55:18]	<Tigernose>	Won't work here
[22:55:20]	<HaYdOs271>	Per Junterj
[22:55:23]	<HaYdOs271>	Hunterj*
[22:55:24]	<Tigernose>	JUNTERJ!
[22:55:27]	<HaYdOs271>	Lol
[22:55:28]	<Technobliterator>	lol Juntern
[22:55:29]	<Tiku-Orava>	I don't support
[22:55:31]	<Tigernose>	EIGERNOSE
[22:55:33]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 33: Quality Images”
[22:55:39]	<Hunterj>	hink that we should get more quality pictures on the wiki. I know that the base text is much more important but good pictures will always make a big wall of text much easier to read. They don't need to be HD images or anything like that but for example some enemies' images are so poor quality that you even cannot recognize anything from them. At least the worse images should be improved. Someone with good recording software (taking screenshots from TV s
[22:55:43]	<Tigernose>	Comments here (too long):
[22:55:47]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_%26_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#33
[22:55:48]	<Hunterj>	OK, we don't need to vote about this one
[22:55:52]	<Hunterj>	We have a template now
[22:55:56]	<Hunterj>	{{low resolution}}
[22:55:57]	<HaYdOs271>	I think that someone should take a position
[22:55:59]	<jeanne>	yes
[22:55:59]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[22:56:04]	<Hunterj>	and basically any users who can upload decent images should
[22:56:07]	<Hunterj>	If not then leave it
[22:56:07]	<HaYdOs271>	Put on the to-do list or something
[22:56:12]	<Tigernose>	I /could/ take images, but now my capture card doesn't work on my HDTV
[22:56:12]	<jeanne>	but I think it depends on the screen of the user
[22:56:15]	<Tigernose>	It might though
[22:56:19]	<Tigernose>	NEvertheless, we don't need any vote.
[22:56:27]	<Hunterj>	HaYdOs271: We have a low res category for iamges needing replacement.
[22:56:27]	<Technobliterator>	Jak and Daxter has a similar thing I know what you mean
[22:56:32]	<jeanne>	LCD and plasma are easier to take with, compared to the whatwasitcalled
[22:56:36]	<Hunterj>	So it's on the how to help page as well
[22:56:38]	<Technobliterator>	if the images aren't good enough?
[22:56:42]	<jeanne>	the bulky one with the electron gun
[22:57:07]	<Tigernose>	We need to hurry up
[22:57:15]	<Hunterj>	Anyway, moving on.
[22:57:16]	<Tigernose>	Nearly 2 hours already
[22:57:23]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 34: Struck from the agenda”
[22:57:27]	<Tigernose>	If in doubt - leave it to a forum :P
[22:57:30]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 35: Space pirates title”
[22:57:32]	<HaYdOs271>	Agreed lol
[22:57:39]	<HaYdOs271>	Agreed to Topic 34
[22:57:46]	<Hunterj>	The Space Pirate page should be titled space pirate and mentioned as such in all the articles talking about them, because there is no official source that I recall using the name as a proper noun. Pirate has never been a proper noun, and in all of the scenes with subtitles where pirate or space pirate has been said that I recall, the term was not a proper noun. Perhaps this mistake was made somewhere in a subtitled scene I'm overlooking, or maybe in the
[22:57:49]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Pirate
[22:57:51]	<Technobliterator>	What?
[22:57:58]	<Technobliterator>	Seriously, what?
[22:58:19]	<Hunterj>	He wants to stop it from being capitalised
[22:58:21]	<jeanne>	they're saying Space Pirate shouldn't be capitalised as it's a common noun
[22:58:22]	<HaYdOs271>	Simple matter of pages such as Courier ship
[22:58:27]	<Tigernose>	There was a part in Q4B when in the boss battle, the subtitles were referred to as "space pirate"
[22:58:27]	<jeanne>	yes
[22:58:36]	<Hunterj>	I'd agree
[22:58:39]	<Technobliterator>	I don't get that
[22:58:40]	<Hunterj>	They're not a species
[22:58:40]	<HaYdOs271>	Courier Ship to Courier ship
[22:58:43]	<Tigernose>	I think it shouldn't be capitalised
[22:58:48]	<Tigernose>	So agreed with no capitalisation?
[22:58:50]	<Technobliterator>	It's an article
[22:58:50]	<HaYdOs271>	Not capitalised
[22:58:53]	<Hunterj>	Agreed
[22:58:53]	* jeanne	agrees
[22:58:54]	<Tigernose>	Moving on
[22:58:59]	<Technobliterator>	if it was titled Space pirate
[22:59:00]	* HaYdOs271	agrees
[22:59:02]	<Hunterj>	We don't need to vote
[22:59:03]	<Technobliterator>	it'd be fine
[22:59:08]	<Hunterj>	per our MOS it shouldn't be capitalised.
[22:59:08]	<HaYdOs271>	Yeah
[22:59:15]	<HaYdOs271>	Not too much of a worry
[22:59:16]	<Technobliterator>	Space pirate is the name?
[22:59:17]	<Tigernose>	Sure
[22:59:19]	<Hunterj>	It's not a species or capitalised in games
[22:59:23]	<Hunterj>	yes
[22:59:24]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[22:59:24]	<HaYdOs271>	I gotta go in 1 minute
[22:59:25]	<Tigernose>	Right next
[22:59:28]	<Tigernose>	Okay Haydos
[22:59:30]	<Technobliterator>	cos if we call it space pirate that's informal
[22:59:35]	<jeanne>	ok, next topic
[22:59:36]	<Drophyd167b>	In relevance to the RYNO topic again, it looks like it's definitely "RYNO-4-Ever":http://uk.guides.ign.com/guides/819456/page_4.html
[22:59:40]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 36: Nefarious to Dr. Nefarious”
[22:59:45]	<Tigernose>	Techno, it's not that's their real name
[22:59:48]	<Hunterj>	PacBoyCraZ is proposing a move for Nefarious to Dr. Nefarious. --Tigernose
[22:59:52]	<Tigernose>	Okay, Drophyd
[22:59:53]	<jeanne>	I would disagree with the Dr. Nefarious
[22:59:56]	<Hunterj>	I oppose this
[22:59:57]	<HaYdOs271>	Leave it as Nefarious
[22:59:59]	<Tigernose>	I really don't see the level of productivity in renaming Nefarious with Dr. or Doctor in the beginning. It's not his actual name, it's a title, and that is an improper naming style on any good quality wiki. Period. The only reason we referred to him as Dr. Nefarious the most often is for the same reason we called Qwark Captain Qwark the most often: we had not yet known his forename. Now we...
[23:00:01]	<Tigernose>	...know Qwark is Copernicus Qwark, but in any case, the title is not proper with no article as an exception, so it should remain Nefarious until we find out his forename. Otherwise, this wiki will lose some of its high quality in my honest opinion. --Mateo22
[23:00:02]	<HaYdOs271>	Dr. is a title
[23:00:06]	<Technobliterator>	Well
[23:00:13]	* HaYdOs271	votes against
[23:00:16]	<Technobliterator>	if there's a redirect there's no problem?
[23:00:21]	* Drophyd167b	votes against
[23:00:24]	* Technobliterator	votes against
[23:00:28]	<jeanne>	for the same reason Hunterj redirect supressed my move from Starshield to captain starshield a while ago
[23:00:29]	<Tigernose>	That's like calling Ara Darzi, Dr. Ara Darzi on Wikipedia
[23:00:30]	* Tiku-Orava	votes against
[23:00:31]	* Hunterj	votes against
[23:00:33]	<jeanne>	no honours in titiles
[23:00:37]	<jeanne>	titles.
[23:00:38]	<Tigernose>	Or is it like that in the first place lol?
[23:00:41]	<Technobliterator>	Yeah we're meant to be formal
[23:00:43]	<HaYdOs271>	Okay gtg cya
[23:00:44]	<Tigernose>	I don't know though
[23:00:45]	<Hunterj>	We can call him [[Dr. Nefarious]] in articles
[23:00:49]	<Hunterj>	just not in the title
[23:00:50]	<HaYdOs271>	Btw
[23:00:51]	<Hunterj>	Ok, bye
[23:00:51]	<Tiku-Orava>	bye
[23:00:54]	<Tigernose>	I think that Dr. Nefarious is a more searched term
[23:01:02]	<Technobliterator>	But
[23:01:03]	<Tigernose>	I suppose it will link to Dr Nefarious anyway
[23:01:03]	=-=	HiQu|Food is now known as HiQu
[23:01:04]	<HiQu>	back
[23:01:04]	<jeanne>	a redirect is good enough
[23:01:05]	<Drophyd167b>	Don't we do that already, Hunterj?
[23:01:08]	<Technobliterator>	there's a redirect
[23:01:09]	<Tigernose>	With the abundance of terms in the article
[23:01:14]	<HaYdOs271>	Leave the article as Space pirate but when used as a link in a sentence, use is as space pirate
[23:01:16]	<Tigernose>	So yeah, keep it as Nefarious
[23:01:19]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: yeah, I was just clarifiying.
[23:01:20]	<Technobliterator>	We should fix the broken links
[23:01:21]	<Tigernose>	NEXT
[23:01:25]	<HaYdOs271>	cya
[23:01:27]	<--|	HaYdOs271 has left #R&C
[23:01:27]	<Tigernose>	Bye
[23:01:28]	<Technobliterator>	next
[23:01:29]	<Drophyd167b>	Bye
[23:01:34]	<Technobliterator>	cyas
[23:01:34]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 37: Struck from the agenda”
[23:01:45]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 38: Planet Transcripts”
[23:01:52]	<Hunterj>	I don't really understand this
[23:01:53]	<Drophyd167b>	Bloody 'ell, how many were struck
[23:02:01]	<Hunterj>	Should we have level transcripts for every planet? I don't mean walkthroughs, they are different things. These would show everything happening on these missions and all character lines. Only setback would be the open-ended mission style that makes the placing of the transcripts little difficult (but would be fixed if we decide the order, would it be the same as in the planet mission list or the main mission first). --Tiku-Orava
[23:02:04]	<Tigernose>	I have made an example of these transcripts, look here: User:Tiku-Orava/Transcriptexample Tell me what you think or tell me about improvements. It is still a beta version so there are few spelling errors. --Tiku-Orava
[23:02:08]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tiku-Orava/Transcriptexample
[23:02:10]	* Technobliterator	has to go to lunch but will be back to talk about her topic which will be last
[23:02:11]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: The agenda is months old... that's why
[23:02:13]	<Tigernose>	Good idea for a subpage
[23:02:24]	<Hunterj>	I don't think we can do this
[23:02:31]	<Drophyd167b>	I was thinking of doing this as a whole game thing
[23:02:39]	<Tigernose>	Hunterj, it's a great idea as it can solve the problem with referencing things
[23:02:39]	<Hunterj>	It's copyrighted material, direct transcripts is not fair use tbh
[23:02:45]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:02:46]	<Tigernose>	Like the space pirate thing
[23:02:49]	<Drophyd167b>	Well, at least the Character lines
[23:02:57]	<Tigernose>	Oh
[23:02:58]	<Hunterj>	It's still script, and copyrighted
[23:03:03]	<Tigernose>	Shall we leave it to a forum?
[23:03:06]	<Hunterj>	We excerpts under fair use
[23:03:10]	<Tigernose>	We still don't have full confirmation, do we?
[23:03:15]	<Hunterj>	Well, we do
[23:03:16]	<Tigernose>	That it's copyright
[23:03:19]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay
[23:03:19]	<Hunterj>	The game's copyrighted
[23:03:19]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah, I got that
[23:03:23]	<Tigernose>	In that case, meh :(
[23:03:24]	<jeanne>	fair use generally shouldn't be used freely.
[23:03:26]	<Tigernose>	It was a good idea though
[23:03:30]	<Drophyd167b>	Damnit
[23:03:32]	<Hunterj>	Exactly
[23:03:40]	<Hunterj>	good idea, but unforunately...
[23:03:41]	<jeanne>	Because you say you have permission from the copyright holder, that's only for that purpose
[23:03:43]	<Tigernose>	YouTube videos are our best bet for sources
[23:03:45]	<Tigernose>	Playthroughs
[23:03:47]	<Tigernose>	Okay Next
[23:03:59]	<Drophyd167b>	Right, now lets bug Insomniac for them to release the scripts
[23:04:06]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 39: Not struck from the agenda but should have been...”
[23:04:21]	<Tigernose>	40 as well
[23:04:23]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 40: Not struck from the agenda but DEFINITELY should have been...”
[23:04:34]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 41: Klunk's status”
[23:04:37]	<Tigernose>	Heh
[23:04:40]	<Tigernose>	No comments here
[23:04:41]	<Hunterj>	What are we going to say Klunk's true fate is? His eyes blinked and glew at the end of SAC, but ACIT Galactic Trivia said that he was dead and buried by Nefarious, the Tombli Outpost almost being named in his memory. Did Insomniac make an error, since SAC was made by another company, or did they retcon that ending? If the story canon is unchanged, did Ratchet lose possession of the vaccum and it was recovered by the doctor somehow? No idea, but it's som
[23:04:43]	<Drophyd167b>	Dun..Dun...Dun
[23:04:46]	<Drophyd167b>	Sorry
[23:05:06]	<Tigernose>	Heh
[23:05:08]	<Hunterj>	I'd think it's retconed
[23:05:12]	<Tigernose>	Yeah definitely
[23:05:15]	<Tigernose>	Retcons happen
[23:05:16]	<Hunterj>	The latest source says he's dead
[23:05:17]	<Drophyd167b>	I'm pretty sure the Trivia didn't actually say he was dead
[23:05:20]	<Tigernose>	We just need to accept them
[23:05:24]	<Tigernose>	Until furhter notice
[23:05:30]	<Tiku-Orava>	We should trust Insomniac more than HIG
[23:05:34]	<Hunterj>	Exactly, HIG might bring him back
[23:05:47]	<Tigernose>	Leave it along the lines: "Klunk was seemingly retconned by Insomniac Games, however may reappear in a HIG game"
[23:05:51]	<jeanne>	HIG is a subdivision of IG...
[23:05:52]	<Hunterj>	"We should trust Insomniac more than HIG" not in my opinion - newest source counts.
[23:05:52]	<Drophyd167b>	Per Tiku-Orava
[23:06:05]	<Tigernose>	It isn't
[23:06:15]	<Drophyd167b>	It's a seperate company
[23:06:20]	<Tigernose>	It's a compeltely differet company made by previous members ofIG
[23:06:25]	<jeanne>	ah.
[23:06:34]	<Tigernose>	It's like Treyarch and Infinity Ward
[23:06:35]	<Hunterj>	So, as it stands he's dead
[23:06:41]	<Hunterj>	per Galactic trivia
[23:06:42]	<Tigernose>	They're not subdivisons of each other
[23:06:57]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[23:06:57]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 42: Commander Argos' full name”
[23:06:58]	<HiQu>	hey whats this galactic trivia
[23:06:59]	<Tigernose>	Moving on
[23:07:02]	<Hunterj>	Regrettably (and I could be wrong here), there aren't any in-game subtitles that show how his first name is spelled, but it sounds to me like he said "Commander Lornock Argos." --Mateo22
[23:07:13]	<Tigernose>	Trust a playthrough?
[23:07:17]	<Drophyd167b>	Mateo worked this out, didn't he
[23:07:20]	<Drophyd167b>	?
[23:07:29]	<Tigernose>	Watch a playthrough and decide
[23:07:49]	<Hunterj>	Are we ok with tha tspelling?
[23:07:54]	<Hunterj>	It's being used in articles already
[23:08:05]	<Drophyd167b>	It's most likely right
[23:08:15]	<Tigernose>	ok
[23:08:23]	<Drophyd167b>	But we need to get other users to check so we have mor ethan one confirmation
[23:08:26]	<Tigernose>	moving on quickly
[23:08:36]	<Hunterj>	OK, so someone should check but we'll leave it for now
[23:08:39]	<Tigernose>	yeah
[23:08:42]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 43: Zephyr's Mother”
[23:08:43]	<Tigernose>	Leave a reminder in the summary
[23:08:47]	<Hunterj>	In TOD Zephyr claims that his mother was a Lombax which would mean, since he's a Robot, a Lombax created him. He sounded like he was telling the truth, and i'm starting to belive he was. The only way we could find the answer to this question is if we email Insomniac, which they, knowing them, probably won't answer. Anyway i'll see if i can find any more info on this. Neffy545
[23:08:49]	<HiQu>	how to pm again
[23:08:51]	<Tigernose>	He said half-lombax, and must mean that one of his grandparents was a Lombax. However, this might just be a joke. HaYdOs271
[23:08:53]	* Technobliterator	is back
[23:08:56]	<Tigernose>	Double click on name I think
[23:09:00]	<HiQu>	no
[23:09:13]	<Tigernose>	You're not using ChatZilla are you?
[23:09:16]	<HiQu>	not in this web irc thingy
[23:09:19]	<HiQu>	no
[23:09:19]	<Tigernose>	Ah okay
[23:09:21]	<jeanne>	HiQu: /msg nickname
[23:09:26]	<Hunterj>	IMO he's just rambling when he says this.
[23:09:27]	<Tigernose>	/msg whoever bla bla bla
[23:09:30]	<jeanne>	HiQu used to use mIRC
[23:09:36]	<HiQu>	used mirc but they patched the bug so you could use it after registering
[23:09:38]	<HiQu>	ok
[23:09:41]	<HiQu>	yeah
[23:09:44]	<Tigernose>	Just leave it as unknown
[23:09:44]	<HiQu>	ty
[23:09:46]	<jeanne>	judging by the comment it seems he hasn't bothered to contact IG
[23:09:56]	<Hunterj>	HiQu: you can get free registration if you ask
[23:10:01]	<HiQu>	ok
[23:10:15]	<Hunterj>	I think it could be added to Zephyr's trivia section
[23:10:18]	<Hunterj>	HiQu: That's what I did
[23:10:24]	<Tigernose>	It is already
[23:10:37]	<Tigernose>	We just need to add the part it may not be true (it probably already is there_
[23:10:42]	<Tigernose>	!ratchet Zephyr
[23:10:42]	<HunterG-88>	Tigernose: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Zephyr
[23:10:43]	<Hunterj>	OK
[23:10:50]	<Hunterj>	That's sorted then
[23:11:03]	<Tigernose>	"Even though this was extremely unlikely, he claimed his mother was half Lombax, which also must meant one of his grandparents was a Lombax. "
[23:11:07]	<Tigernose>	It says he claimed
[23:11:13]	<Tigernose>	And that's good enough to suggest fallability
[23:11:23]	<Tigernose>	Right moving on
[23:11:25]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 44: Struck from the agenda”
[23:11:41]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 45: Wiki writing style”
[23:11:52]	<Hunterj>	Is the guideline to write in present tense or past tense when talking about species, planets or locations? I mean if they still exist they really should be written in present tense, not like in Drek's planet what was destroyed or some specie that has died completely. When talking about location/specie history (or when talking about their appearance in a specific game) the verbs should be in past tense. --Tiku-Orava
[23:12:00]	<Hunterj>	In-universe = past tense
[23:12:04]	<Technobliterator>	Past tense
[23:12:05]	<Hunterj>	That's how it stands with our MOS
[23:12:07]	<Drophyd167b>	We really need to email Insomniac more to get more solid info about the R and C universe
[23:12:12]	<jeanne>	present from walkthroughs
[23:12:13]	<Drophyd167b>	Never mind
[23:12:16]	* Technobliterator	votes past tense
[23:12:17]	<jeanne>	s/from/for/
[23:12:35]	<jeanne>	Technobliterator: it's not really a vote in this topic. :P
[23:12:40]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 46: Pirates”
[23:12:46]	<Hunterj>	I always thought that we should consider the Robotic Pirate Ghosts and space pirates to be of the same faction. To start, space pirates are also called robot pirates, and other simplistic variation names, so they aren't really an exclusive lot. I personally think that the ghosts (already very comparable with the undead pirates due to the ability to throw their skulls and cause damage and having supernatural smoke coming off them) and Captain Blackstar
[23:13:10]	<Technobliterator>	They're not the same
[23:13:21]	<Technobliterator>	Space pirates aren't ghosts
[23:13:24]	<Hunterj>	Keep them seperate IMO
[23:13:27]	<Tigernose>	Ratchet's not doing it now?
[23:13:31]	<Tigernose>	Oh we've moved on
[23:13:36]	<HiQu>	yeah. its different species
[23:13:43]	<Technobliterator>	And aren't found in a video game, aren;t in the same galaxy
[23:13:44]	<Drophyd167b>	per Techno
[23:13:55]	<Tigernose>	Are you sure?
[23:13:56]	<HiQu>	agree
[23:14:03]	<Tigernose>	They're just dead space pirates
[23:14:08]	<Drophyd167b>	Actually, do the Ghost Pirates even exist?
[23:14:09]	<Tigernose>	In Polaris
[23:14:11]	* Technobliterator	is sure
[23:14:14]	<HiQu>	theyre just some random different species of pirates
[23:14:21]	<Technobliterator>	how do we know they even are dead space pirates
[23:14:34]	<Tigernose>	Of same faction??
[23:14:36]	<Technobliterator>	they could just be random things Qwark made up
[23:14:39]	<Tigernose>	Oh I didn't get the desc
[23:14:39]	<Drophyd167b>	It could just be Qwark making stuff up again like he usually does
[23:14:46]	<HiQu>	ghost pirates are darkwaters cursed pirates
[23:14:48]	<Technobliterator>	Exactly
[23:14:49]	<Drophyd167b>	Ah, I need to type faster!
[23:15:08]	<Technobliterator>	How do we know?
[23:15:09]	<HiQu>	robotic pirate ghosts are in qwarks vidcomic and controlled by blackstar
[23:15:16]	<Technobliterator>	Where's the source?
[23:15:29]	<Hunterj>	UYA?
[23:15:30]	<Technobliterator>	They are controlled by Blackstar, not Darkwater
[23:15:31]	<HiQu>	if youve played the games you know
[23:15:35]	<HiQu>	UYA
[23:15:39]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[23:15:40]	<HiQu>	and Q4B
[23:15:41]	<Technobliterator>	I played them all
[23:15:42]	<Tigernose>	That's another guy
[23:15:43]	<Technobliterator>	Yeah
[23:15:45]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:15:54]	<Hunterj>	OK, so we've agreed to leave them as they are?
[23:16:00]	<Technobliterator>	Perhaps it could be mentioned as a possibility in trivia?
[23:16:00]	<HiQu>	yeah
[23:16:07]	<HiQu>	no
[23:16:14]	<Technobliterator>	no?
[23:16:21]	<HiQu>	its not. different captain
[23:16:32]	<Technobliterator>	oh that counts as fanon for R and C wiki soz forgot
[23:16:38]	<HiQu>	and they are just space pirates affected by a curse
[23:16:38]	<Technobliterator>	ok, move on?
[23:16:43]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 47: Drek's Status”
[23:16:48]	<Tigernose>	K
[23:16:49]	<HiQu>	dead
[23:16:54]	<Hunterj>	I have had enough with Speculation, he is dead. He was killed when was launched into his Blarg Planet and then blown to peaces by the Deplanetizer. Alot of fans think Drek could have teleported off the planet, if he survived the impact, but this is Speculation and Drek has not teleported once in the game, and even if Drek survived, wouldn't he have came back in the next game, it's been nine games already and nothing implies or hints he survived. Neffy54
[23:16:59]	<Technobliterator>	We don't know
[23:17:10]	<Drophyd167b>	Found something interesting in the screens of the comics, hurry up and get to that topic already
[23:17:14]	<Hunterj>	I would agree with Neffy, but:
[23:17:18]	<Tigernose>	Drek should be put in Possivle Deaths
[23:17:21]	<HiQu>	dead. even if he survived the impact the huge explosion killed him
[23:17:23]	<Tigernose>	He could have escaped
[23:17:28]	<Technobliterator>	I say survived, but hey I liked Drek
[23:17:36]	<Hunterj>	Insomniac have already said many times they've thought of bringing him back
[23:17:39]	<Technobliterator>	There;s possibility, just there's improbability
[23:17:41]	<Tigernose>	How about put in Confirmed Deaths but with a hint of bringing back
[23:17:44]	<Drophyd167b>	Have they
[23:17:46]	<Drophyd167b>	?
[23:17:48]	<Hunterj>	Yes
[23:17:49]	<jeanne>	he's dead for now
[23:17:55]	<Hunterj>	I was looking at it this morning
[23:18:01]	<Tigernose>	At the moment, he's dead, but he may come back from the dead - that sort of thing
[23:18:04]	<Hunterj>	We never actually see him die.
[23:18:07]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:18:11]	<Technobliterator>	We can't put him in confirmed deaths
[23:18:12]	<Technobliterator>	Cos he's not confirmed
[23:18:12]	<HiQu>	until we get further info from IG hes dead id say
[23:18:20]	<Tigernose>	But it's enough evidence and an overwhelming majority
[23:18:24]	<Technobliterator>	Well
[23:18:25]	<Hunterj>	It isn't confirmed...
[23:18:26]	<Hunterj>	Vote?
[23:18:27]	<jeanne>	just a 'missing person'?
[23:18:30]	<jeanne>	to be accurate
[23:18:34]	<Technobliterator>	the way Vox died was confirmed
[23:18:34]	<Tigernose>	Canonically dead, but can always be brought back through retcon or undeadness
[23:18:37]	<HiQu>	missing in action?
[23:18:39]	<Drophyd167b>	MiA
[23:18:44]	<Technobliterator>	by an arm flying off in space
[23:18:44]	<Hunterj>	yeah
[23:18:49]	<Hunterj>	MiA
[23:18:53]	<Technobliterator>	but Drek we saw nothing
[23:18:55]	<Drophyd167b>	Are we still using the status system?
[23:18:56]	<Hunterj>	Sounds good to me
[23:18:56]	<Technobliterator>	MIA
[23:18:58]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[23:18:59]	<jeanne>	that's a better description
[23:19:09]	<Tigernose>	So what have we decided?
[23:19:09]	<Hunterj>	Thanks HiQu. :)
[23:19:15]	<Hunterj>	MiA, yes?
[23:19:17]	<HiQu>	np
[23:19:17]	<Hunterj>	Anyone oppose?
[23:19:18]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay
[23:19:19]	<Tigernose>	But wait
[23:19:24]	<Tigernose>	Where would he be in the Death article
[23:19:25]	<Technobliterator>	Drek heck it could have been just his robot that crashed
[23:19:28]	<Tigernose>	!ratchet Death
[23:19:28]	<HunterG-88>	Tigernose: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Death
[23:19:39]	<Technobliterator>	Drek is not confirmed
[23:19:43]	<Technobliterator>	MIA
[23:19:45]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 48: Slag on a Stick deletion”
[23:19:48]	<Tigernose>	Wait
[23:19:49]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Slag_on_a_Stick
[23:19:52]	<Tigernose>	Where would he be on that article
[23:20:07]	<Hunterj>	Not dead? Possible dead?
[23:20:09]	<HiQu>	nowhere
[23:20:14]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay fine
[23:20:19]	<Tigernose>	Right go on.
[23:20:26]	<Technobliterator>	What's the point of Slag on a Stick?
[23:20:30]	<Hunterj>	Yeah leave him where he is
[23:20:31]	<Hunterj>	This is a redundant article that should be deleted. It isn't a device or separate item. It's just Slag himself in a new form with a nickname from Pete. Some people are inaccurately led to believe it isn't the regular character because he doesn't do a lot of speaking in Morrow Caverns, thinking his personality is only temporarily reactivated when needed to solve puzzles, and then his outbursts about Darkwater or the Pythor were added in for simple comic
[23:20:33]	<Technobliterator>	I know who he is
[23:20:44]	<Tigernose>	The way Mateo describes it, I disagree
[23:20:47]	<Technobliterator>	we could just merge it with Slag article?
[23:20:48]	<Tigernose>	When you read the article
[23:20:53]	<jeanne>	yes, merge the article
[23:20:57]	<Tigernose>	He does do separate things from Slag
[23:20:59]	<HiQu>	agree
[23:21:04]	<Tigernose>	However, it can still be merged
[23:21:06]	<Hunterj>	Merge
[23:21:11]	<HiQu>	but its slags head
[23:21:20]	<Hunterj>	Under the section Slag on a stick
[23:21:22]	<Tigernose>	It's just the way he describes it's too minor is wrong, not that it matters now
[23:21:23]	<Tigernose>	yeah
[23:21:24]	<Technobliterator>	It's SLAGS head
[23:21:26]	* Drophyd167b	says merge
[23:21:29]	<HiQu>	and rusty pete just did some things to him so hell remember all that he sees
[23:21:32]	<Technobliterator>	so it should be in Slag
[23:21:35]	<Tigernose>	It does important things like open doors
[23:21:36]	<HiQu>	vote
[23:21:38]	<Tiku-Orava>	vote
[23:21:39]	* Technobliterator	says MERGE
[23:21:41]	<HiQu>	Opinions¨
[23:21:43]	<Tigernose>	Merge but with emphasis
[23:21:44]	* Hunterj	says merge
[23:21:44]	* jeanne	merge.
[23:21:50]	* HiQu	merge
[23:21:50]	<Tigernose>	Meaning with a section
[23:21:54]	* Tigernose	merge.
[23:21:54]	<HiQu>	yeah
[23:21:58]	<Hunterj>	yeah
[23:22:06]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 49: Struck from agenda”
[23:22:18]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 50: Merging operations and their missions”
[23:22:27]	<Hunterj>	n operation articles like Operation: ISLAND STRIKE we really should merge the missions there because instead of seven million stubs we could have few good articles. --Tiku-Orava
[23:22:29]	<HiQu>	!R&C agenda
[23:22:30]	<HunterG-88>	HiQu: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/agenda
[23:22:34]	<HiQu>	!agenda
[23:22:34]	<HunterG-88>	The agenda for the IRC meeting can be found here: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#Agenda_1
[23:22:36]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_ISLAND_STRIKE
[23:22:47]	<Hunterj>	I'd opose merging them myself
[23:22:47]	<Tigernose>	Each mission should have a walkthrough
[23:22:52]	<HiQu>	yeah
[23:22:55]	<Hunterj>	I think they deserve they're own articles
[23:22:55]	<HiQu>	no mergin
[23:22:56]	<Tigernose>	So for navigation's sake and info's sake, no merge for me
[23:22:58]	<jeanne>	no merge
[23:23:01]	<HiQu>	so vote?
[23:23:04]	<Technobliterator>	Are our walkthroughs sub pages?
[23:23:06]	<Tigernose>	It's agreed I suppose
[23:23:10]	<Tigernose>	No it's in th epage
[23:23:14]	<jeanne>	some game's have their own page for each mission
[23:23:17]	<Tigernose>	These are other walkthroughs
[23:23:18]	<Hunterj>	They should be sub pages
[23:23:24]	<Hunterj>	generally.
[23:23:25]	<Tigernose>	The walkthroughs?
[23:23:29]	<Hunterj>	Skill points aren't
[23:23:36]	<Drophyd167b>	I love how there's a topic later on for making articles on each mission
[23:23:39]	<Technobliterator>	Aren't the sub pages like UYA Walkthrough/Operation: ISLAND STRIKE
[23:23:41]	<jeanne>	Skill points are too minor to each have its own page
[23:23:41]	<Tigernose>	If we're not merging, then it defeats the purpose to have a subpage
[23:23:50]	<Technobliterator>	I say skill points should be sub pages
[23:23:57]	<HiQu>	btw i have an additional topic
[23:24:00]	<Technobliterator>	it's not as if they take away from the article count
[23:24:02]	<Tigernose>	I say, don't merge, keep walkthrough on the page of the mission
[23:24:14]	<Hunterj>	Only walkthrough's are sub pages, and they should be in the main game's walkthrough.
[23:24:21]	<Hunterj>	So basically leave everything as it is
[23:24:26]	<Tigernose>	But wait
[23:24:28]	<Technobliterator>	...
[23:24:30]	<HiQu>	just vote
[23:24:33]	<HiQu>	vooote
[23:24:34]	<Tigernose>	There is already a walkthrough section in the article
[23:24:39]	<Hunterj>	OK.
[23:24:43]	<Hunterj>	So leave it as it is
[23:24:44]	<Tigernose>	That needs expansion (each aticle)
[23:24:46]	<Tigernose>	Ok
[23:24:48]	<Tigernose>	Right moving on
[23:24:52]	<Technobliterator>	Skill points will just remain as random articles that are basically subs?
[23:24:59]	<Technobliterator>	oh wait thats too offtopic
[23:25:00]	<Tigernose>	Suppose so
[23:25:00]	<Hunterj>	If tha's how you view them, yes
[23:25:08]	<Hunterj>	They should have awlkthrough added to them
[23:25:10]	<Hunterj>	anyway
[23:25:14]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 51: Drek's Flagship's Bridge”
[23:25:18]	<Technobliterator>	they're basically stubs but hey
[23:25:20]	<Hunterj>	Having found the time to go back and play the first game again (and since nobody responded on the talk page), I'm going to point out here what I noticed about Drek's flagship. His command bridge on the flagship is completely different when comparing its appearence in cutscenes to when Ratchet and Clank infiltrate it. In fact, the room seen in cutscenes bears the designs of the Missile Cruiser hallways and not those of the corridors in the flagship at al
[23:25:33]	<Tigernose>	Leave to forum in my view
[23:25:37]	<Technobliterator>	Yeah
[23:25:39]	<Tigernose>	Too much research needed fr this convo
[23:25:42]	<Drophyd167b>	per Tigernose
[23:25:47]	* Technobliterator	votes leave to forum
[23:25:48]	<Drophyd167b>	twice
[23:25:51]	<Tigernose>	Plus I haven't compelted the first game let alone observed the bridges
[23:25:58]	<Hunterj>	Not a forum, the talk page
[23:25:58]	<Drophyd167b>	lol
[23:26:07]	<Technobliterator>	Ok talk pahe
[23:26:08]	<Hunterj>	Put it on the talk page
[23:26:09]	<Hunterj>	OK
[23:26:11]	<Technobliterator>	page
[23:26:12]	<Drophyd167b>	per Hunterj
[23:26:13]	<Tigernose>	Agreed
[23:26:14]	<Tigernose>	NEXT
[23:26:17]	<jeanne>	yes put it on the talk page
[23:26:19]	<Technobliterator>	next
[23:26:35]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 52: Recreations of planet maps”
[23:26:41]	<Hunterj>	OK, I'm going to say this right now:
[23:26:44]	<Hunterj>	Put it on a forum
[23:26:49]	<Hunterj>	I've got and idea of recreating planet maps from different R&C series games (with photoshop, paint.net or any image editing software) like this (this image isn't in final form). These would be included in the individual planet's articles. --Tiku-Orava
[23:26:50]	<Technobliterator>	Yeah
[23:26:50]	<Tigernose>	That is a great idea. However, it would take an effort from a lot of people. This would make showing the locations of gold bolts and such very simple and easy. I doubt we'll get one for every planet, but any at all would be a great addition for the wiki. --Jxtreme
[23:26:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Forum
[23:26:53]	<Tigernose>	Okay
[23:26:54]	<Hunterj>	Forum.
[23:26:55]	<Tigernose>	Agreed
[23:26:56]	<Technobliterator>	Forum
[23:26:57]	<Tigernose>	Next
[23:26:59]	<HiQu>	kinda too hard
[23:27:02]	<Hunterj>	I'll sort that out
[23:27:06]	<HiQu>	id prefer screenshot
[23:27:06]	<Hunterj>	The forum...
[23:27:13]	<Technobliterator>	Anyone have photoshop?
[23:27:20]	<Technobliterator>	we could use that for it
[23:27:21]	<Hunterj>	There's also a matter of them being non-canon
[23:27:23]	<Hunterj>	So...
[23:27:23]	<Hunterj>	Forum
[23:27:25]	<Tigernose>	Tiku has already done one
[23:27:27]	<Technobliterator>	Forum
[23:27:29]	<jeanne>	Technobilterator: any image program would do
[23:27:31]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 53: Character Heights”
[23:27:31]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:27:39]	<Drophyd167b>	What's non-canon
[23:27:41]	<Hunterj>	I think some characters who don't have listed heights (such as Big Al, Skid, etc.) should have listed heights. If you are going to give characters who appeared once like Luna, Fizzwidget, Angela, and Azimuth listed heights in the infobox, why not characters who appeared in two or three games.—Unsigned comment at {{{2}}} by 71.181.237.223
[23:27:42]	<Drophyd167b>	?
[23:27:42]	<Tigernose>	It takes long though
[23:27:46]	<Tigernose>	Needs a user-project I think
[23:27:49]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_%26_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#53
[23:27:50]	<Tigernose>	For comments
[23:27:54]	<Tigernose>	As it's way too long
[23:28:03]	<Technobliterator>	Well how are we going to get them>
[23:28:04]	<jeanne>	Drophyd167b: when it's not officially confirmed in the game and fan-created
[23:28:07]	<Hunterj>	we can only list heights that are canon
[23:28:16]	<Drophyd167b>	What is?
[23:28:21]	<Hunterj>	So, this is irrelevant.
[23:28:22]	<Technobliterator>	exactly
[23:28:26]	<Technobliterator>	next
[23:28:27]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: the phgotoshopped maps
[23:28:29]	<jeanne>	if it's a vague thing someone's unsure of in the game that could classify under {{conjecture}}
[23:28:34]	<Hunterj>	and made up heights
[23:28:41]	<Drophyd167b>	We're talking about tracing screenshots here
[23:28:51]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 54: Rename weapon usage articles”
[23:29:03]	<Drophyd167b>	Although the maps aren't that complete
[23:29:03]	<Tigernose>	Wait Hunterj
[23:29:04]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: it'll b in a forum
[23:29:05]	<jeanne>	height isn't mentioned in the game
[23:29:08]	<Drophyd167b>	k
[23:29:08]	<Tigernose>	What about made up heights?
[23:29:14]	<Hunterj>	get rid of them
[23:29:16]	<Hunterj>	non-canon
[23:29:18]	<jeanne>	^
[23:29:19]	<Technobliterator>	So he wants them to be sub pages? Agreed
[23:29:22]	<Tigernose>	They can be correctly measured
[23:29:24]	<Hunterj>	per our MOS
[23:29:28]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay
[23:29:30]	<Hunterj>	I doubt it...
[23:29:33]	<Technobliterator>	non canon
[23:29:34]	<Hunterj>	I think that the weapon usage articles should be renamed to weapon guides. (<weapon>/Guide) The articles tell you more than just how to use a weapon but what mods to put on it, how to upgrade it fast and so on. There are few of these articles, so it wouldn't be hard. --Jxtreme
[23:29:38]	<Hunterj>	I agree
[23:29:39]	<jeanne>	that's to a scale for a height, not the actual confirmed height
[23:29:44]	<Technobliterator>	Move
[23:29:47]	<Technobliterator>	on
[23:29:52]	<Technobliterator>	?
[23:30:03]	<Hunterj>	I couldn't think of a decent name for usage articles, Jxtreme's found one
[23:30:08]	* Drophyd167b	agrees with Junter
[23:30:12]	<Tigernose>	Yeap
[23:30:12]	<Hunterj>	I'll change this
[23:30:15]	<Tigernose>	JUNTERJ
[23:30:15]	<jeanne>	it's better
[23:30:17]	<Tigernose>	hehe
[23:30:20]	<HiQu>	ok
[23:30:21]	<jeanne>	as /guide
[23:30:23]	<Technobliterator>	:P
[23:30:24]	<Tigernose>	yeah
[23:30:26]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 55: Walkthrough overview section”
[23:30:26]	<HiQu>	next
[23:30:37]	<Drophyd167b>	I know, that was deliberate
[23:30:40]	<Tigernose>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jxtreme/Walkthrough_Overview
[23:30:42]	<Tigernose>	I never got this one
[23:30:45]	<Technobliterator>	meh I do't agree with this
[23:30:55]	<Hunterj>	See User:Jxtreme/Walkthrough Overview for an example. I think that we should add these sections to walkthrough articles. They'd give a snapshot of what's on the planet you've landed on. Also, some planet articles have these sections and they have more to do with gameplay that the actual planet. (If anyone else goes to Cobalia, they won't suddenly be able to purchase Plasma Beasts.) Moving them to walkthough articles makes more sense. --Jxtreme
[23:30:59]	<Technobliterator>	don't understand
[23:30:59]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jxtreme/Walkthrough_Overview
[23:31:06]	<Tigernose>	They shouldn't be at the top
[23:31:10]	<jeanne>	overview should be the lead of a walkthrough of a way
[23:31:13]	<Tigernose>	At the side like an infobox?
[23:31:15]	<Hunterj>	I like the first obtainable section, but yeah at the bottom
[23:31:18]	<Hunterj>	Infobox
[23:31:19]	<Hunterj>	good idea
[23:31:20]	<Technobliterator>	Could they just be in infobox?
[23:31:23]	<jeanne>	no need for a separate overview page
[23:31:25]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[23:31:25]	<Hunterj>	I'll make a walkthrough infobox
[23:31:27]	<Technobliterator>	ohlol said
[23:31:29]	<Hunterj>	Using this as a basis
[23:31:31]	<Tigernose>	We'll figure that out soon
[23:31:32]	<Tigernose>	Yes
[23:31:34]	<Tigernose>	good
[23:31:35]	<Hunterj>	OK
[23:31:36]	<Tigernose>	next
[23:31:38]	<Hunterj>	Decided?
[23:31:38]	<Technobliterator>	it won't be hard
[23:31:42]	* Drophyd167b	says we make infobox
[23:31:48]	<Technobliterator>	hold on
[23:31:49]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 56: Walkthrough creation user projects”
[23:31:56]	<Hunterj>	Walkthrough articles need major help. We don't have a complete walkthrough for any game, and many fo the ones we do have are a short paragraph describing the first few thing you do on a planet, or just plain terribly written. Fixing this will take effort from many people, so I think a user project for each game walkthrough should be made. --Jxtreme
[23:31:56]	<Tigernose>	Number 56 is pretty much self-explanatory.
[23:32:02]	<Tigernose>	We just need more emphasis on it
[23:32:07]	<Technobliterator>	http://jakanddaxter.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Airship_Weapon
[23:32:07]	<Hunterj>	Ok, I agree.
[23:32:08]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:32:09]	<Tigernose>	Keep it on the sitentotice maybe
[23:32:10]	<Hunterj>	Make a user project.
[23:32:17]	<Technobliterator>	oh lol that's late post
[23:32:19]	<Hunterj>	I'll ask Jxtreme if he wants to lead
[23:32:36]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay fine
[23:32:38]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 57: Yurik”
[23:32:40]	<Technobliterator>	guys g2g pretty soon damn
[23:32:46]	<Hunterj>	Some people seem to think that that is not Yurik ten years later from the Battle. It is Yurik, the reason why he doesn't remember them is because he was really young. This needs to be changed in the Yurik article. Neffy545
[23:32:49]	<Hunterj>	nearly done...
[23:32:51]	<Technobliterator>	wanted to discuss my topic
[23:32:59]	<HiQu>	is there confirmations that hes yurik
[23:33:07]	<Hunterj>	I have no idea what this is on about.
[23:33:10]	<Hunterj>	I'll sit out of this
[23:33:18]	<Technobliterator>	Yeah let's leave
[23:33:21]	<Hunterj>	Let me know when I can change topic
[23:33:21]	<Tigernose>	It is
[23:33:27]	<Technobliterator>	don't understand
[23:33:30]	<Technobliterator>	move on
[23:33:31]	<jeanne>	this sounds like a talk page suggestion a bit.
[23:33:38]	<jeanne>	have no idea who he is though
[23:33:41]	<Tigernose>	Wai
[23:33:41]	<Technobliterator>	please move on
[23:33:42]	<Hunterj>	Ah, ok
[23:33:45]	<Hunterj>	talk page then
[23:33:49]	<Tigernose>	Meh fine
[23:33:49]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 58: Deadlocked articles user project”
[23:33:54]	<Hunterj>	As proposed by Hunterj, Deadlocked is the only main game that has poor quality articles related to it, with only one article (Ace Hardlight) having the FA status. Therefore, we think that Deadlocked articles should all be put under an improvement drive via a user project. Furthermore, we have an FA que drought and we need more Featured articles! --Tigernose
[23:33:56]	<Tigernose>	I was going to explain it, but we don't have time
[23:34:01]	<Drophyd167b>	When you save Gimlick Valley, ten years in the future you hear a Fongoid talking about Ratchet, but doesn't notice Ratchet right next to him
[23:34:04]	<Drophyd167b>	Oh, never mind
[23:34:12]	<Hunterj>	yeah, nm
[23:34:27]	<Tigernose>	Talk page, heh
[23:34:37]	<Tigernose>	To-do list
[23:34:39]	<Hunterj>	Basically a user project and the use of a template to highlight articles (on the talk apge) that need imoprovement in the user project. decided by member
[23:34:39]	<Tigernose>	Whatever happened to that
[23:34:56]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: most of the stuff from the agenda goes to the list
[23:34:56]	<Tigernose>	Why not to-do list?
[23:35:02]	<Technobliterator>	g2g REALLY soon sadly my topic
[23:35:05]	=-=	HiQu is now known as HiQu|Busy
[23:35:07]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: it's too specific
[23:35:10]	<Technobliterator>	fails
[23:35:13]	<Tigernose>	Okay
[23:35:15]	<Hunterj>	Move on
[23:35:18]	<Tigernose>	yep
[23:35:28]	<Technobliterator>	can we discuss my topic cos i g2g
[23:35:32]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 59: Sidebar”
[23:35:34]	<Tigernose>	What is yours?
[23:35:40]	<Hunterj>	One sec
[23:35:52]	<Tigernose>	Which one is it Techno?
[23:35:54]	<Hunterj>	Technobliterator: Eitehr make a forum for it, or send it to me in a PM
[23:35:58]	<Technobliterator>	Lack on MyHome, I think it should be an option
[23:36:02]	<Tigernose>	Oh right
[23:36:12]	<Hunterj>	Ah, I'll see what I can do about option
[23:36:14]	<Tigernose>	Yeah send a message to Hunterj about it and we'll add it to the next IRC meeting or something
[23:36:19]	<Technobliterator>	Ok
[23:36:25]	<jeanne>	I think a forum is better
[23:36:33]	<Hunterj>	I won't make it default, but an option is possible for it
[23:36:36]	<Tigernose>	Right Sidebar.
[23:36:37]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:36:37]	<Hunterj>	I'll see what I can do
[23:36:41]	<Tigernose>	Yes I agree
[23:36:44]	<Technobliterator>	But the whole banner thing at top which was only other thing is fine, Jxtreme sorted that for me.
[23:36:45]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:New_Sidebar_proposals
[23:36:47]	<Technobliterator>	sidebar
[23:36:53]	<Tigernose>	This is an important one
[23:37:04]	<Tigernose>	Main source of navigation.
[23:37:09]	<Hunterj>	Right, there are two proposals there
[23:37:10]	<Technobliterator>	That's true
[23:37:13]	<Technobliterator>	I think
[23:37:19]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose, did you accept my one?
[23:37:21]	<Technobliterator>	it should browse categories
[23:37:22]	<Tigernose>	Yes
[23:37:30]	<Tigernose>	I'm in support of Hunterj's.
[23:37:31]	<Hunterj>	IIRC, my one is a modified version of Tigernose'
[23:37:33]	<Technobliterator>	browse categories and lists
[23:37:42]	<Tigernose>	His one s a minor change of mine, with the "Top Content" being below the core content
[23:37:45]	<Hunterj>	It's simple and order change to suit the wiki
[23:37:48]	<Hunterj>	*an
[23:37:52]	<Tigernose>	"I like this idea more for the reason Hunterj changed it: the new user would be better navigated to the desired article through the core content, as "Top Content" would be an unknown or murky term for users new to wikis." Tigernose
[23:37:59]	<Hunterj>	So can we vote?
[23:38:02]	<jeanne>	I think top content is better followed by games
[23:38:03]	<Tigernose>	Yeah vote
[23:38:08]	<Hunterj>	Option 1 - Leave the sidebar as it is
[23:38:08]	<Technobliterator>	hey can I say one thing about topic 63?
[23:38:10]	* Tigernose	votes Hunterj
[23:38:22]	<Hunterj>	Option 2 - Hunterj's proposal (tigernose's is withdrawn)
[23:38:24]	* Technobliterator	votes Huntrej
[23:38:27]	* Hunterj	votes Hungerj
[23:38:28]	<Hunterj>	*Hunterj
[23:38:31]	* Tigernose	votes 2
[23:38:33]	<Hunterj>	Can't even spell my own nick...
[23:38:36]	<Tigernose>	Hah
[23:38:37]	<jeanne>	ok
[23:38:43]	* jeanne	votes 2
[23:38:50]	<Technobliterator>	can I sat something about Topic 63 before I go?
[23:38:53]	* Drophyd167b	votes option 2
[23:38:54]	<Tigernose>	Yes.
[23:38:55]	<Technobliterator>	say
[23:38:57]	<Tigernose>	Quickly
[23:38:58]	<Hunterj>	Technobliterator: Put it on my talk page quick
[23:38:59]	<Technobliterator>	Well
[23:39:03]	<Hunterj>	nm
[23:39:05]	<Hunterj>	Here will do
[23:39:10]	<Hunterj>	I guess..
[23:39:12]	<Hunterj>	Logs will be horrid
[23:39:15]	<Technobliterator>	ok cyas
[23:39:16]	<Hunterj>	To summarise
[23:39:16]	<Tigernose>	Heh.
[23:39:18]	<Technobliterator>	actually I'll say here
[23:39:19]	<jeanne>	don't worry about them
[23:39:22]	<Tigernose>	Go on
[23:39:28]	<Technobliterator>	there's a wiki about Heroes on the Move
[23:39:31]	<Tigernose>	Oh
[23:39:35]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[23:39:35]	<jeanne>	right
[23:39:37]	<Hunterj>	I know
[23:39:40]	<Tigernose>	Leave it as it is
[23:39:43]	<Hunterj>	Thanks Technobliterator. :)
[23:39:48]	<Technobliterator>	heroesonthemove.wikia.com
[23:39:49]	<Tigernose>	It's not actually part of the R&C series
[23:39:53]	<Technobliterator>	yeah rue
[23:39:57]	<Technobliterator>	true
[23:39:58]	<jeanne>	yeah it isn't really.
[23:40:01]	<Tigernose>	That's my view.
[23:40:04]	<jeanne>	more of a Sony thing.
[23:40:09]	<Hunterj>	We'll talk later anyway
[23:40:11]	<Tigernose>	We'll leave it for further discussion afterwards
[23:40:12]	<Technobliterator>	I think it should be a soft redirect to heroes on the move wiki
[23:40:13]	<Tigernose>	yeah
[23:40:14]	<Tigernose>	Right
[23:40:17]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 60: Image Links on main page”
[23:40:19]	<Tigernose>	Oh right
[23:40:23]	<Tigernose>	Okay we'll take that in
[23:40:25]	<Technobliterator>	ok cyas
[23:40:27]	<jeanne>	bye
[23:40:28]	<Tigernose>	Bye
[23:40:29]	<Hunterj>	http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Image_Links_on_Mainpage_proposals
[23:40:35]	<Tigernose>	Another important navigation one
[23:40:40]	<Hunterj>	Again, this was another item discussed in the previous IRC meeting but put on hold. A vote now needs to be held to decide which image navigation system should be implemented onto the main page, as seen here. --Tigernose
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[23:40:56]	<Tigernose>	Click on the link and you'll see an IRC log
[23:41:01]	<Hunterj>	What will this replace?
[23:41:03]	<Tigernose>	That's my view on the situation now
[23:41:15]	<Tigernose>	The New User? section
[23:41:18]	<Hunterj>	OK
[23:41:19]	<Tigernose>	And will move it to the top
[23:41:24]	<Tigernose>	Above Featured Article
[23:41:26]	<Hunterj>	No, we didn't agree on moving it
[23:41:43]	<jeanne>	Tigernose's is more specific
[23:41:43]	<Hunterj>	What about the list of games
[23:41:59]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[23:42:10]	<Hunterj>	The only problem I have with this, is it means the game names won't be on the main page
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[23:42:12]	<Hunterj>	That's good for google
[23:42:17]	<Hunterj>	if they are...
[23:42:18]	<Tigernose>	That's in the sidebar I suppose
[23:42:29]	<Tigernose>	We'll find a way to incorporate it in
[23:42:33]	<Hunterj>	Yeah, but it's not working with google
[23:42:33]	<Hunterj>	ok
[23:42:34]	<Tigernose>	Near the top
[23:42:39]	<Tigernose>	Leave that for now
[23:42:44]	<Hunterj>	I like Tigernose's, but Ithink this should be discussed more in the forum
[23:42:45]	<Hunterj>	OK
[23:42:49]	<Tigernose>	Even more?
[23:42:59]	<Hunterj>	Yes
[23:43:08]	<Drophyd167b>	I say use Tigernose's but change "Villains" to "Bosses" as villains are already in Characters
[23:43:20]	<Hunterj>	As good as the fature is, it could have a huge impact on our google rankings for any game related searches
[23:43:25]	<Hunterj>	*feature
[23:43:33]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:43:34]	<Tigernose>	We'll put game names in somewhere
[23:43:35]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 61: User-made crosshairs and images”
[23:43:44]	<Tigernose>	So forum...?
[23:43:50]	<Hunterj>	As you may know, some of our users have been replicating images from the games in editing softwares from scratch, as they are difficult to get from the game itself. Most of these have been crosshairs, but should they be kept and put in articles or not? --Tigernose
[23:43:58]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: for 60 yes.
[23:44:01]	<Hunterj>	For this, no.
[23:44:05]	<Hunterj>	The images are non-canon.
[23:44:06]	<Tigernose>	meh, okay
[23:44:08]	<Hunterj>	that's the problem I have
[23:44:15]	<Hunterj>	I think we should use in-game screenshots of the cross hairs
[23:44:20]	<jeanne>	yes, because they're user generated
[23:44:25]	<Hunterj>	Exactly
[23:44:35]	<Hunterj>	Good as they are...
[23:44:37]	<Tigernose>	They can be took as a screenshot, then edited to have no background
[23:44:43]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[23:44:50]	<Hunterj>	Ok
[23:44:51]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[23:44:55]	<Tigernose>	next
[23:45:08]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 62: Names - particularly enemy names”
[23:45:16]	<Hunterj>	a user recently asked Nifky where some of the more obscure names come from (e.g. ones that are seemingly not mentioned in the game) I believe the names come from the strategy guides and/or info from Insomniac (interviews etc) when not mentioned in-game, but to be honest I don't have a clue where a lot of names come from; it is entirely possible I've missed them in-game though. It is definitely worth checking who added the names not mentioned in-game and
[23:45:40]	<HiQu>	strategy guide
[23:45:51]	<jeanne>	Tiku-Orava: I'm not picking on you specifically but you're silent for a while
[23:46:28]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[23:47:01]	<Hunterj>	the guide
[23:47:08]	<Hunterj>	So, move on?
[23:47:17]	<jeanne>	needs more input
[23:47:18]	<Drophyd167b>	Should we double check the strategy guides?
[23:47:28]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:47:28]	<Drophyd167b>	Only problem is the cost of them
[23:47:38]	<Hunterj>	Well, I have ACiT's and that's it.
[23:47:45]	<Drophyd167b>	And Deadlocked's is an internet one
[23:47:46]	<Hunterj>	ACiT is fine, I can say that
[23:47:47]	<Tigernose>	forum?
[23:47:48]	<Hunterj>	Yes
[23:47:53]	<Tiku-Orava>	Strategy guides aren't neccesarily canon
[23:47:57]	<Hunterj>	They are...
[23:48:04]	<Hunterj>	But where htey contradict the games wim
[23:48:05]	<Tigernose>	They're official
[23:48:06]	<Hunterj>	*win
[23:48:15]	<Tigernose>	YEs
[23:48:21]	<Hunterj>	So should we move on?
[23:48:25]	<Tigernose>	As they weren't acutally made by IG
[23:48:27]	<Tigernose>	Yes
[23:48:27]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:48:36]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 63: Heroes on the Move”
[23:48:45]	<Hunterj>	how much coverage do we give? I've got my opinion but we need to make a decision really - particularly concerning how much is canon, and how much we cover other characters like Bentley and Jak. Hunterj
[23:48:50]	<Hunterj>	Ok, I have two theories:
[23:49:29]	<Hunterj>	1 - we cover it as separate canon, like the manga. We don't know where it fits in with the storyline and it's sort of 'ambiguos canon', so it stays in seperate sections.
[23:49:49]	<Hunterj>	2 - we cover it as canon assuming there's enough of Ratchet
[23:49:53]	<jeanne>	Bentley should be a soft redirect along with Jak with their corresponding wiki
[23:49:57]	<Hunterj>	I personally think we should do 1
[23:50:03]	<Tigernose>	2
[23:50:17]	* jeanne	would do 2
[23:50:19]	<Tigernose>	Assuming there's enough of Ratchet
[23:50:19]	<Drophyd167b>	I reckon it's non-canon unless said otherwise
[23:50:22]	<Tigernose>	And there probably won't be
[23:50:36]	<Tigernose>	So 2 as you said, and if there isn't, then 1
[23:50:40]	<Tigernose>	After all it's not a R&C game
[23:50:41]	<jeanne>	but it would be a minimal article because Bentley, Jak, whatever isn't directly in the R&C series
[23:50:54]	<Hunterj>	Here's the problem
[23:50:58]	<jeanne>	Heroes on the move basically
[23:51:16]	<Hunterj>	If you can choose any of the six characters to play through the game - simple. The game is canon, the other characters are soft redirects
[23:51:28]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[23:51:32]	<Hunterj>	Otherwise I think non R&C related characters should not be soft redirects, but should be covered up to the point they appear in the game, then externally linked to other wikis
[23:51:49]	<Tigernose>	Well we'll just have to wait and see, and choose either choice when we see best fit
[23:51:57]	<Hunterj>	Yes, but for now?
[23:52:03]	<Tigernose>	Leave it as it is?
[23:52:08]	<Tigernose>	We have little to no evidence
[23:52:13]	<Tigernose>	*sources or gameplay
[23:52:17]	<Hunterj>	For now I say everything related to the game is {{future}} and canon
[23:52:22]	<Tigernose>	Yeah
[23:52:23]	<Hunterj>	Seperate canon
[23:52:27]	<Tigernose>	Okay fine
[23:52:28]	<Hunterj>	as we don't know hte timeline
[23:52:30]	<Tigernose>	Agreed?
[23:52:34]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:52:52]	<Hunterj>	and other cahracters that apear elsewhere (not including new characters for HOTM) are soft redirects with HotM content
[23:53:04]	<Hunterj>	So, to clarify:
[23:53:43]	<Hunterj>	For now; we cover all of HotM as seperate canon, other cahracters either not exclusive to HotM or part of R&C previously are soft redirects.
[23:53:59]	<Hunterj>	with HotM content on this wiki
[23:54:01]	<Hunterj>	Ok?
[23:54:02]	* jeanne	agreees.
[23:54:27]	<Hunterj>	Anyone else?
[23:54:50]	* Drophyd167b	agreeees
[23:54:51]	<Tigernose>	yes
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[23:54:52]	<jeanne>	we're almost finished..with the agenda
[23:54:56]	<Tigernose>	hi
[23:54:56]	<Hunterj>	OK
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[23:55:19]	=-=	Hunterj has changed the topic to “The IRC meeting has begun - Topic 65: Missions”
[23:55:28]	<Hunterj>	we should have articles for each mission. For example on Oozla the missions are to Explore the swamp ruins and Find the storage entrance. Hunterj
[23:55:30]	<Tigernose>	We already have the walkthroughs for the levels, and these walkthroughs encompass everything we need to know about the missions. A mission article that is mostly a walkthrough would be spam, and a mission article without the walkthrough would be another stub to go with the few hundred already on here. • Grind3r
[23:55:32]	<Tigernose>	Actually, about a third of the articles here are the size that these mission articles would be. • Grind3r
[23:55:34]	<Tigernose>	The articles would be about the mission itself. It's in the game so in my opinion it deserves coverage. Hunterj
[23:55:52]	<Hunterj>	They're in the game so we should cover these IMO.
[23:55:57]	<Tigernose>	Well do the missions have enough storyline to earn an article?
[23:56:06]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:56:09]	<Hunterj>	Yeah
[23:56:10]	<Hunterj>	The biggest problem I have is are they Ratchet#s missions or the player's missions
[23:56:10]	<jeanne>	rather than just a {{stub}}
[23:56:29]	<Tigernose>	Ratchet's
[23:56:31]	<Hunterj>	They have potential for enough countent, yes
[23:56:33]	<Hunterj>	And I agree
[23:56:35]	<Tigernose>	Walkthrough's are the player's mission
[23:56:37]	<Hunterj>	in-universe articles
[23:56:38]	<Hunterj>	Agreed
[23:56:40]	<Tigernose>	Yep
[23:56:42]	<Tigernose>	next
[23:56:45]	<jeanne>	yes
[23:56:47]	<Hunterj>	OK?
[23:56:49]	<Hunterj>	Great
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[23:57:07]	<Hunterj>	A comic series has been announced to be a canonical instalment in the Ratchet & Clank series. It has its own article already, Ratchet & Clank comic series. However, we need to decide how it will be integrated into articles at the moment, if we should italicise it in articles and etc. Sources and more info about the comic series will be pasted into IRC. --Tigernose
[23:57:13]	<Tigernose>	Firstly
[23:57:17]	<Tigernose>	Should we italicise it?
[23:57:23]	<Drophyd167b>	Yes
[23:57:24]	<jeanne>	I've started italicising it
[23:57:28]	<Hunterj>	”Ratchet & Clank” comic series
[23:57:30]	<Tigernose>	It's going to be in the appearances section so it must be
[23:57:33]	<Tigernose>	HOWEVER
[23:57:33]	<Hunterj>	Isn't taht correct?
[23:57:38]	<Tigernose>	There will be separate comics
[23:57:44]	<Hunterj>	Each issue will have a title
[23:57:51]	<Hunterj>	That'll be ittalicised
[23:57:51]	<Drophyd167b>	IMO this should be treated as a proper Insomniac production
[23:57:55]	<Tigernose>	So for now let's italicise the whole thing, then afterwards unitalicise the whole thing but italicise each comic
[23:58:02]	<Hunterj>	I don't think we should integrate the content until each issue is released
[23:58:09]	<Drophyd167b>	look at this screen and you'll see what I mean:
[23:58:14]	<Tigernose>	Okay, but what about what I just said
[23:58:25]	<Tigernose>	"> So for now let's italicise the whole thing, then afterwards unitalicise the whole thing but italicise each comic"
[23:58:26]	<Hunterj>	Tigernose: no, as it's a series. We know he'll appear in the series, we just don't know which episodes yet
[23:58:31]	<Drophyd167b>	http://uk.comics.ign.com/dor/objects/79137/ratchet-and-clank/images/ratchet-and-clank-20100716053115173.html?page=mediaFull
[23:58:38]	<Hunterj>	So ”Ratchet & Clank” comic series
[23:58:41]	<Hunterj>	As an appearance
[23:58:45]	<Hunterj>	until we know which episodes
[23:58:47]	<Tigernose>	Italicised?
[23:58:51]	<jeanne>	yes'
[23:58:58]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[23:58:59]	<Tigernose>	But when there are separate comics?
[23:59:02]	<Hunterj>	Ratchet & Clank is the only bit italicised
[23:59:09]	<Hunterj>	We then add each comic as an appearance
[23:59:19]	<Hunterj>	The whole thing italicised
[23:59:29]	<jeanne>	it will stay italicised after the separate comis are released
[23:59:30]	<Hunterj>	Even if it's ”Ratchet & Clank comic issue 61”
[23:59:44]	<Tigernose>	I refer to the whole thing as just the "Ratchet & Clank comic series" links
[23:59:52]	<Tigernose>	Not each comic
[00:00:05]	<Hunterj>	Atm, the appearance should be (in wiki code) [[Ratchet & Clank comic series|”Ratchet & Clank” comic series]]
[00:00:12]	<Tigernose>	Not italicastion?
[00:00:13]	<Hunterj>	When each issue comes out it should be
[00:00:20]	<Hunterj>	Only teh R&C bit
[00:00:32]	<Tigernose>	”
[00:00:36]	<Tigernose>	Oh right
[00:00:36]	<Hunterj>	”[[Ratchet & Clank comic issue 61]]”
[00:00:38]	<Tigernose>	Stupid Chatzilla
[00:00:41]	<Tigernose>	okay
[00:00:42]	<Hunterj>	Ah, sorry.
[00:00:44]	<Tigernose>	I get it
[00:00:44]	<Hunterj>	My fault
[00:00:50]	<Hunterj>	OK?
[00:00:55]	<Drophyd167b>	I agree with Hunterj
[00:00:55]	<Tigernose>	No it was just Chatzilla
[00:01:00]	<Hunterj>	I think, as it stands, the comics should stand as seperate canon
[00:01:03]	<Tigernose>	makes it into speech marks
[00:01:08]	<Tigernose>	Right
[00:01:09]	<Tigernose>	next please
[00:01:18]	<Drophyd167b>	It's "Ratchet and Clank" game series after all
[00:01:18]	<Hunterj>	And it should be reffered to like this: Ratchet will appear in the comic series, he will do this, he will do that
[00:01:20]	<Tigernose>	http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/110/1106837p1.html
[00:01:22]	<Hunterj>	Like we do with games
[00:01:23]	<Tigernose>	http://www.aeropause.com/2010/06/dc-announces-ratchet-clank-comic-miniseries/
[00:01:24]	<Tigernose>	http://creaturebox.com/artwork/ratchet-and-clank-comics/
[00:01:24]	<Hunterj>	before they're released
[00:01:25]	<Tigernose>	http://www.gamertell.com/gaming/comment/ratchet-and-clanks-next-adventure-will-be-in-comics/
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[00:01:27]	<Tigernose>	These are links for comics though
[00:01:31]	<Drophyd167b>	Also, we need to start using the comics as sources right away, that screen confirms Nefarious was teleported away
[00:01:37]	<Hunterj>	Yes
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[00:01:44]	<Hunterj>	But it should be in a seperate section
[00:01:47]	<Tigernose>	Right
[00:01:49]	<Tigernose>	I get it
[00:01:58]	<Hunterj>	So nefarious should have a ==”Ratchet & Clank” comic series==
[00:01:59]	<Hunterj>	Section
[00:02:04]	<jeanne>	yes
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[00:02:07]	<Hunterj>	In the comic series Nefarious was teleported away
[00:02:11]	<Hunterj>	Until the comic is released
[00:02:18]	<Hunterj>	When it's released it can become past tense
[00:02:22]	<Hunterj>	Nad properly sourcesw
[00:02:23]	<Tigernose>	Yep
[00:02:24]	<jeanne>	we need to start finishing up, 3 hours for an IRC meeting is a bit long already
[00:02:25]	<Tigernose>	next
[00:02:26]	<Hunterj>	When it's released
[00:02:30]	<Hunterj>	OK
[00:02:37]	<Drophyd167b>	No, as Nefarious was teleported away in ACiT
[00:02:41]	<Drophyd167b>	This just confirms it
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[00:02:57]	<Drophyd167b>	Whatever, I'm dragging on
[00:02:59]	<Hunterj>	OK, so it'd go under the Comic series section still
[00:03:03]	<Hunterj>	and would say:
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[00:03:06]	<Drophyd167b>	Let's finish this
[00:03:23]	<Hunterj>	Nefarious was teleported away in ACiT, as confirmed by...
[00:03:28]	<Hunterj>	Until the comic's released.
[00:03:31]	<Drophyd167b>	Yeah
[00:03:32]	<Hunterj>	Then it can be integrated
[00:03:33]	<Hunterj>	OK
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[00:03:42]	<Drophyd167b>	The comic is called "Ears of War"
[00:03:46]	<Hunterj>	Source?
[00:03:50]	<Drophyd167b>	Look at the other screens
[00:03:52]	<Tigernose>	The first screen
[00:03:53]	<Hunterj>	IS that the series or that issue?
[00:03:55]	<Tigernose>	Issue
[00:03:59]	<Tigernose>	Right next please
[00:04:00]	<Hunterj>	OK
[00:04:01]	<Drophyd167b>	Also, we need to start using the comics as sources right away, that screen confirms Nefarious was teleported away
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[00:04:06]	<Drophyd167b>	Ooop
[00:04:09]	<Drophyd167b>	s
[00:04:13]	<Tigernose>	lolshift
[00:04:15]	<Hunterj>	Um, just don't reffer to the isse yet
[00:04:17]	<Drophyd167b>	Got the paste wrong
[00:04:17]	<Hunterj>	*issue
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[00:04:26]	<Hunterj>	Don't reffer to it as Ears of War
[00:04:28]	<Drophyd167b>	K
[00:04:34]	<Hunterj>	It could be a pre-production name
[00:04:39]	<jeanne>	yes
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[00:04:41]	<Hunterj>	So reffer to it as the series until each issue is released
[00:04:42]	<jeanne>	not confirmed yet
[00:04:42]	<Tigernose>	Okay, next?
[00:04:48]	<Drophyd167b>	It's probably the series anyway
[00:04:56]	<Hunterj>	I'll create a guide for using the comic books on the wiki soon
[00:05:03]	<Tigernose>	k
[00:05:04]	<Hunterj>	Fok
[00:05:06]	<Hunterj>	*Ok
[00:05:08]	<Tigernose>	lol
[00:05:09]	<Drophyd167b>	You do realise these screens are from the actual comic, right
[00:05:10]	<jeanne>	ok
[00:05:12]	<Drophyd167b>	lol
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[00:05:19]	<Drophyd167b>	Let's move on
[00:05:24]	<Tigernose>	HiQu's internet is spasticating
[00:05:31]	<Drophyd167b>	lol again
[00:05:34]	<Hunterj>	Drophyd167b: yeah, but we don't know how final they are, and they're not released yet...
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[00:05:38]	<Tigernose>	This will appear in the log :S
[00:05:38]	<jeanne>	but he has two nicks connected anyway
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[00:06:23]	<Tigernose>	Quick though
[00:06:25]	<Tigernose>	Oh okay
[00:06:40]	<Tigernose>	Long story short, this is the http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ratchetandclank.com
[00:06:48]	<Tigernose>	Web archive for ratchetandclank.com
[00:06:49]	<jeanne>	oh yeah that
[00:06:52]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: Could you edit that change out of the logs? It'll make things easier when summarizing
[00:06:53]	<Tigernose>	Old pages can be viewed
[00:06:58]	<jeanne>	I thought we were discussing this last year
[00:07:01]	<Tigernose>	not all files can be viewed, but some can
[00:07:06]	<jeanne>	Hunterj: you mean that topic change?
[00:07:08]	<Hunterj>	jeanne: NM
[00:07:09]	<Tigernose>	jeanne, we found the archive at last
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[00:07:18]	<Hunterj>	We'll count it as an additional topic
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[00:07:42]	<Tigernose>	lol at hiQu
[00:07:43]	<Hunterj>	OK, so ended then, yeah?
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