This is the transcript for the IRC meeting on January 31 2009. A summary of the events is also available. Please note the time stamp is -5 UTC.

[16:00] <@HiQu> IRC meeting has started
�01[16:00] <+supergeeky1> I bid you Clank greetings.
�03[16:00] * Henrikv4 (n=d4fbf822@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-b07eb49141fd597a) has joined #R&C
[16:01] <@HiQu> Hi Henrik, just in time
�01[16:01] <+supergeeky1> Well, that was a fun meeting.
[16:01] <Henrikv4> Hello
�03[16:01] * HiQu sets mode: +v Henrikv4
[16:01] <+Henrikv4> Sry Im late...
�01[16:01] <+supergeeky1> Henrikv4: No worries.  The meeting's over now.
[16:01] <@HiQu> heh, no youre just in time.
[16:02] <@HiQu> Hunterj: The meeting has started
[16:02] <@Hunterj> Welcome
[16:02] <@Hunterj> Yes
[16:02] <@HiQu> 1. Uploading new versions of old images - It's pissing me off when someone uploads a new version to someone others image. And it even ruins the old lisencing. Should we have a rule in the image policy about this. - HiQu
�03[16:02] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 1: Uploading new versions of old images�'
[16:03] <+OOM-10> There's no point in uploading duplicate images either
�01[16:03] <+supergeeky1> If the previous version is of low quality, then I feel a better quality should be uploaded under the same filename.
[16:03] <@HiQu> I agree.
�01[16:03] <+supergeeky1> However, if both are of equal quality and depict something different, then different filenames.
[16:04] <@Hunterj> Agreed
[16:04] <@Hunterj> Anyone disagree?
[16:04] <@HiQu> Nope.
[16:04] <+Henrikv4> Nope
[16:04] <@Hunterj> great.
[16:05] <@HiQu> !agenda
[16:05] <+HunterG-88> The agenda for the IRC meeting can be found here: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#Agenda
[16:05] <@HiQu> Next topic?
[16:05] <@HiQu> 2. Moving articles - There are many articles moved for no use. I think we should speak about it in the talk page before moving it, unless it's about correcting the wrong spelling... - HiQu
[16:05] <@Hunterj> Yes.
[16:06] <+Henrikv4> Agreed
[16:06] <@Hunterj> HiQu: can you let me change the topic firs please, easier to read in the logs
[16:06] <@HiQu> yes
�03[16:06] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 2: Moving articles�'
[16:06] <@Hunterj> I do agree.
[16:07] <+Henrikv4> Anyone disagree?
[16:07] <@Hunterj> I think we need to talk about it if it's being moved for anything other than spelling, or an incorrect title.
[16:07] <@Hunterj> That sound ok?
[16:07] <+Henrikv4> Yes
[16:07] <@HiQu> Yes
[16:08] <@HiQu> SG1?
[16:08] <@Hunterj> Ok, next topic?
[16:08] <@Hunterj> I mena, shall we move on?
[16:08] <@HiQu> sure
[16:08] <+OOM-10> Fine
[16:08] <+Henrikv4> Yeah
�03[16:08] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 3: Future 2 or Future 3?�'
[16:08] <@HiQu> 3. Future 2 or Future 3 - We should finally decide this. Should the sequel for ToD be under the name Future 2 or 3.
�01[16:08] <+supergeeky1> Sorry, I'm back now.
[16:08] <@HiQu> np
[16:08] <@Hunterj> So.
�01[16:09] <+supergeeky1> And I better stay out of this item.
[16:09] <@Hunterj> !ratchet Ratchet & Clank Future 2
[16:09] <+HunterG-88> Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_Future_2
[16:09] <@Hunterj> Yes.
�01[16:09] <+supergeeky1> Since I know very little about the series.
[16:09] <@Hunterj> Well, maybe not.
[16:09] <@Hunterj> It's about what to name an upcoming game that doesn't have an officaly title.
[16:09] <@HiQu> Hunterj: Remember the google thing?
[16:09] <+OOM-10> It should be Future 2.In my eyes, Q4B only served to "bridge the gap"
[16:09] <@Hunterj> Ah yeah
[16:09] <@Hunterj> Agreed.
[16:10] <@Hunterj> It wasn't a full game
[16:10] <@HiQu> Agreed
[16:10] <+OOM-10> By the wa, what was with "Ratchet & Cank: Armageddon"?
[16:10] <@Hunterj> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ratchet+%26+Clank+Future+2&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
[16:10] <@Hunterj> OOM-10: deleted I think, fanon.
[16:11] <@Hunterj> That google search shows the quest for Booty does not come up for Ratchet & Clank Future 2
[16:11] <+OOM-10> Oh, OK then, must have been an IP
[16:11] <@HiQu> OOM-10: let's talk about extra topics after the main agenda...
[16:11] <@HiQu> So lets vote.
[16:11] <@HiQu> Anyone who wants it to be Future 2 say I.
[16:12] <@HiQu> I
[16:12] <+Henrikv4> I
[16:12] <+OOM-10> I
[16:12] <@Hunterj> I
[16:12] <@HiQu> And sg1 probably votes for neutral.
[16:12] <+OOM-10> Aggreed, it's Future 2 then?
[16:12] <@HiQu> yes
[16:12] <+OOM-10> Fine by me
[16:12] <+Henrikv4> Next topic?
[16:13] <+OOM-10> OK
[16:13] <@Hunterj> one sec
�03[16:13] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 4: Ratchet's home planet - Fastoon or Veldin?�'
[16:13] <@HiQu> 4. Ratchet's home planet - Fastoon or Veldin? - Again, have a look on the talk page, I still think we should discuss this though.
[16:13] <@Hunterj> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Ratchet
[16:13] <+Henrikv4> Fastoon
[16:14] <@HiQu> Technically Fastoon was were Ratchet was born but he lives on Veldin.
[16:14] <+OOM-10> Ratchet was sent to Veldin, making it his home for several years, but he was born on Fastoon
�01[16:14] <+supergeeky1> Do the games not say what planet Ratchet is from?
�01[16:14] <+supergeeky1> Home planet would be Fastoon, then.
[16:14] <@HiQu> ok
[16:15] <@HiQu> anyone who disagree?
[16:15] <@Hunterj> Nope.
[16:15] <+OOM-10> Come to think of it, are we sure he was even born on Fastoon? TOD only said he was born in Polaris
[16:15] <@HiQu> that's true.
[16:15] <+OOM-10> Damn, I've started an arguement.
[16:16] <+Henrikv4> Should we write "unknown"?
[16:16] <@HiQu> So Polaris is a galaxy and Fastoon is a planet in that galaxy.
[16:16] <+OOM-10> Leave it be for the moment
[16:16] <@HiQu> Fastoon is Ratchet's race's homeworld.
[16:16] <@HiQu> And Ratchet was born in Polaris.
[16:17] <@HiQu> a touch one.
[16:17] <@Hunterj> I think Fastoon is ok. Ratchet was born in Polaris, Ratchet's father was on Fastoon when he sent Ratchet to Veldin, and Fastoon was a Lombax planet.
[16:17] <@Hunterj> Why else would they all be on Fastoon?
[16:17] <@HiQu> true. that needs to be it.
[16:17] <@Hunterj> Although, unknown might be a more accurate choice.
[16:18] <@HiQu> ok, anyone who votes for Fastoon say I.
[16:18] <@HiQu> I
[16:18] <@Hunterj> I
[16:18] <+Henrikv4> I
[16:18] <@HiQu> anyone who votes for unknown say I
[16:19] <+OOM-10> I
[16:19] <@HiQu> 3-1, so it'll stay as Fastoon.
[16:19] <@Hunterj> For now at least.
[16:19] <+OOM-10> Okay
�03[16:19] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 5: I'm Watching Vandals list expansion�'
[16:19] <@Hunterj> Will we or will we not? Mobutu4
[16:19] <@Hunterj> Um, I don't really understand this.
[16:20] <+OOM-10> I think he means should all users be allowed to have one
[16:20] <@HiQu> it means the 'I'm Watching Vandals' after your main signature.
[16:20] <@Hunterj> I set that up as something for me to keep trackof Vandals last year, when I returned as an active admin - the wiki was full of vandalism as no admin had been active for months.
[16:21] <@HiQu> So that's where it started.
[16:21] <@Hunterj> yeah
[16:21] <@Hunterj> I don't use it anymore.
[16:21] <@HiQu> SG1, what do you think. SHould people be allowed to add that to their signature.
[16:21] <@Hunterj> there aren't many vandal
�01[16:21] <+supergeeky1> Have to go.  Sorry.
[16:21] <@Hunterj> Ok, bye.
�01[16:21] <+supergeeky1> Wait.
[16:21] <@HiQu> bye
[16:22] <@Hunterj> I have no issue with people using it, i just don't think we 'need' to expand it.
�01[16:22] <+supergeeky1> Yeah, I see no problem with it.
�03[16:22] * supergeeky1 is now known as SG1|Hereish
[16:22] <@Hunterj> So let it be a personal choice.
[16:22] <@HiQu> ok
[16:22] <@HiQu> no policies
[16:22] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[16:22] <+OOM-10> I'll wait till I'm an admin before makin use of Vanalwatch
[16:22] <@HiQu> Anyone disagree?
�03[16:22] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 6: Combuster or Combustor�'
[16:23] <@Hunterj> !ratchet Talk:Combustor
[16:23] <+HunterG-88> Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Combustor
[16:23] <+OOM-10> Combust-or
[16:23] <@Hunterj> !ratchet Talk:Combuster
[16:23] <+HunterG-88> Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Combuster
[16:23] <@HiQu> I know it's kinda sorted out on the talk page, but I still think it needs to be discussed -Clank 720
[16:23] <@Hunterj> America   Europe/Australia  
[16:23] <@Hunterj> Combuster   Combustor  
[16:23] <@Hunterj> Magma Combuster   Magma Combustor  
[16:23] <@Hunterj> Omega Magma Combuster   Omega Magma Combuster  
[16:23] <@Hunterj> A table.
[16:23] <@Hunterj> Words on the left under America
[16:24] <@Hunterj> Words on the Right under Europe/Australia
[16:24] <@HiQu> I vote for Combuster
[16:24] <+OOM-10> Someone, nip to your PS3 and check
[16:24] <+Henrikv4> Combuster
[16:24] <@Hunterj> Well, we don't need to vote.
[16:24] <@Hunterj> It is combuster
[16:24] <@HiQu> Although Q4B has Combustor in the american versions i think.
[16:24] <@Hunterj> that's the American version
[16:24] <@Hunterj> Well, in the case we have articles on both
[16:24] <@HiQu> I'll quickly check
[16:24] <@Hunterj> Hang on, its called Combuster in the American version of Quest for Booty. Which means its called Combuster in the American games and Combustor in the European games. Mr. L. JerkJerk's Casino
[16:25] <@Hunterj> So, I don't think there's a need to
[16:25] <+OOM-10> America's more prominent than the UK so Combust-er
[16:25] <@HiQu> hang on
[16:25] <@HiQu> i'll check it quickly
[16:25] <@Hunterj> Combuster, as the European games are translated.
[16:25] <@Hunterj> Even the UK one.
[16:25] <@Hunterj> For example
[16:26] <@HiQu> My Q4B is Combustor
[16:26] <@Hunterj> Future is not in the European TOD title, because they had problems translating it into other languages
[16:26] <@Hunterj> We're European.
[16:26] <@Hunterj> HiQu and me I mean.
[16:26] <+Henrikv4> And me...
[16:27] <@Hunterj> So, combuster then?
[16:27] <+OOM-10> So am I
[16:27] <@Hunterj> Right.
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[16:28] <@HiQu> It's combuster in American versions of Q4B and ToD
[16:28] <@Hunterj> Combuster, yeah?
[16:28] <@HiQu> Hi
[16:28] <@Hunterj> Right
[16:28] <@Hunterj> Hey Tigernose.
[16:28] <@Hunterj> We're up to number 5
�03[16:28] * HiQu sets mode: +v Tigernose
[16:28] <@HiQu> ...of the agenda
[16:28] <+Tigernose> oh
[16:28] <+Tigernose> hi
[16:28] <+Tigernose> Im lucky that I came
[16:28] <+Tigernose> I said I couldnt come...
[16:28] <+Tigernose> Okay
[16:28] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[16:28] <+Tigernose> Is it about Combuster?
[16:29] <@Hunterj> So, Combuster as it's the American title.
[16:29] <@HiQu> yes
[16:29] <+Tigernose> Yes
[16:29] <+Tigernose> I agree with Hunterj
[16:29] <@HiQu> Anyone who is against that
[16:29] <@HiQu> say I
[16:30] <@HiQu> No one?
[16:30] <@HiQu> Combuster wins
�03[16:30] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 7: Lombax eye color: Only Ratchet or all?�'
[16:30] <@Hunterj> This NEEDS to be clarified. Mobutu4My Talk
[16:31] <@Hunterj> Hm, personally i have no problem with this color being on the Lombax article
[16:31] <+OOM-10> What type of species has one eye colour? Look at the Sontarans
[16:31] <@HiQu> I think Hunterj's footnote on the article clears it enough. - HiQu
[16:31] <+Tigernose> Lol
[16:31] <+OOM-10> What's lol, Sontarans?
[16:31] <+Tigernose> Well we only have one lombax really.
[16:31] <+Tigernose> So with that evidence we should go with Ratchet's eye colour right?
[16:32] <@Hunterj> Note: Could potentially only apply to one lombax (Ratchet) however due to their cat-like appearance green eye color is very likely for the normal lombax eye color. 
[16:32] <+OOM-10> But there are loads more  lombaxes, just in another dimension
[16:32] <@HiQu> and with Hunterj's footnote it's okay now...
[16:32] <@HiQu> right?
[16:32] <+Tigernose> What does the footnote say
[16:32] <@Hunterj>  Note: Could potentially only apply to one lombax (Ratchet) however due to their cat-like appearance green eye color is very likely for the normal lombax eye color. 
[16:32] <@HiQu> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Lombax#cite_note-2
[16:33] <+Tigernose> And plus we only have Ratchet's evidence to prove anything about Lombaxes.
[16:33] <+OOM-10> Cats also have blue eyes
[16:33] <+OOM-10> So lombaxes might
[16:33] <@Hunterj> I know waht OOm-10 means.
[16:33] <+Tigernose> Then again OOM-10 has a point. On the other hand, it is extremely irrelevant to a Lombax.
[16:33] <+Tigernose> Cats arent Lombaxes
[16:33] <@Hunterj> But we have evidence of green eye color, not of any other color
[16:34] <+Tigernose> Exactly
[16:34] <@HiQu> I think Footnote clears it enough
[16:34] <@Hunterj> yes, but they are based on cats.
[16:34] <@Hunterj> By the designers.
[16:34] <+OOM-10> It's OOM-10 not OOm-10
[16:34] <+Tigernose> Meh
[16:34] <@Hunterj> When they chose eye color
[16:34] <@HiQu> Cats + dogs.
[16:34] <@HiQu> insomniac's interview
[16:34] <@HiQu> or whatever
[16:34] <+Tigernose> Okay, but shouldn't we stick with what we've got. 
[16:34] <@HiQu> agreed
[16:34] <@Hunterj> OOM-10: I know, didn't hold down shift enough... :P
[16:34] <+Tigernose> The next game in the series is coming out late this year so we'll have to wait.
[16:34] <@HiQu> let's hope Future 2 will guve us an anwser
[16:35] <+Tigernose> Yeh
[16:35] <+Tigernose> Shouildn't it be called Future 3?
[16:35] <@HiQu> no
[16:35] <@Hunterj> We've discussed that.
[16:35] <@Hunterj> :)
[16:35] <@HiQu> I'll post our decision
[16:35] <+OOM-10> THIS WAS ANSWERED IN A PREVIOUS TOPIC!
[16:35] <@Hunterj> YOu can view the transcript after.
[16:35] <@HiQu> no you can read it when the transcript comes.
[16:35] <+Tigernose> ok
[16:36] <+Tigernose> But it's the third game in the Future series.
[16:36] <+Tigernose> I wish I didn't miss the meeting
[16:36] <@HiQu> Tigernose: Future 3 doesn't mach on anything on google but Future 2 does.
[16:36] <@HiQu> *match
[16:36] <@Hunterj> So everyone else is calling it Future 2.
[16:36] <@Hunterj> Anyway, he can view the logs and discuss after if needed.
[16:36] <@Hunterj> Anyway.
[16:36] <+Tigernose> ok
[16:37] <+Tigernose> I'll just call it Future 3 for my own use lol.
[16:37] <@HiQu> So the next one?
[16:37] <@Hunterj> We've decided to leave it as green eyes for now?
[16:37] <@HiQu> yes
�03[16:37] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 8: Appearances�'
[16:37] <@HiQu> with the footnote
[16:37] <@Hunterj>  - Appears in or Appearances?
[16:37] <@HiQu> -or appears in
[16:38] <+OOM-10> Appears i
[16:38] <+Tigernose> Appears in
[16:38] <+OOM-10> Appears in
[16:38] <@Hunterj> Hm.
[16:38] <+Tigernose> We have that on more articles
[16:38] <@Hunterj> Ok, forget what we've got.
[16:38] <+Tigernose> Hardly any have Appearances.
[16:38] <@HiQu> that's the problem.
[16:38] <@Hunterj> That can be changed.
[16:38] <@Hunterj> I'll do it myself if I have to.
[16:38] <@Hunterj> Seriously.
[16:38] <@HiQu> Appearances: I would go with that but Appears in is in way too many articles.
[16:38] <+Tigernose> Well, I think that Appears in is more direct and understantble
[16:39] <@HiQu> Only problem is if the article is, how you say it...
[16:39] <@Hunterj> Here's the sides.
[16:39] <+Tigernose> Does it vary on articles?
[16:39] <@HiQu>  plurar
[16:40] <@HiQu> a plurar
[16:40] <@Hunterj> Appears in is not used by many other wikis, and makes us different.
[16:40] <@Hunterj> Appearances is used by many other wikis, sounds more formal
[16:40] <+Tigernose> Well, then it's the wiki choice
[16:40] <+Tigernose> Be the same or be unique
[16:40] <@HiQu> if the article is a plurar it would need to be Appear in instead of appears
[16:40] <@Hunterj> If we used appearances, we could use appears at to list the locations a cahracter appears at in the gmaes
[16:41] <+Tigernose> Good point
[16:41] <@Hunterj> HiQu: No, if it's one appearances it's appearances still, for consistancy
[16:41] <@HiQu> ok
[16:41] <@Hunterj> HiQu:It becomes an exception to the plural terms
[16:41] <@HiQu> Hunterj: If we decide it to be Appearances, I'll help you change them.
[16:41] <+Tigernose> We should get this topic over with
[16:42] <+Tigernose> Make a vote...
[16:42] <@Hunterj> If we use appears in, appears at or something similar would sound to similar ot list locations, making it confusing
[16:42] <@Hunterj> yes
[16:42] <@Hunterj> Ok.
[16:42] <@Hunterj> All in favor of using Appears in, please say I.
[16:42] <+OOM-10> I
[16:43] <+Tigernose> I think we know what's won...
[16:43] <@Hunterj> All in favor of using appearances, please say I
[16:43] <@Hunterj> I
[16:43] <@HiQu> I
[16:43] <@Hunterj> (I want a record of whose voted)
[16:43] <+Henrikv4> I
[16:43] <+Tigernose> i
[16:43] <+OOM-10> I move my vote to APPEARANCES
[16:44] <+Tigernose> To be honest I liked the old fashioned Appears in but it's the wiki's choice.
[16:44] <+OOM-10> Now we'll have to change all the articles
[16:44] <@HiQu> You can vore for appears in.
[16:44] <@Hunterj> Ok, appears in will be cahnged to appearances.
[16:44] <@Hunterj> Yes, but the ammount of work really doesn't matter.
�03[16:45] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 11: Ratchet & Clank: Clone Home�'
[16:45] <+OOM-10> Damn, it feels different already
[16:45] <@Hunterj> Released or not?
[16:45] <@Hunterj> heh
[16:45] <@HiQu> The thing is that I strongly believe that Ratchet & Clank: Clone Home was not released. I've been searching and Going Mobile is found everywhere but you can't download Clone Home anywhere. IGN shows only an old set of images and there hasn't been added any new images after that. Even after the "release date". Of course the best thing to find out about this is to directly contact Handheld Games. We really should talk about this one. -HiQu
[16:45] <+Henrikv4> I don't know:S
[16:45] <+OOM-10> Clone Home wasn't released. The only stuff we saw related to it was a bunch of pics on IGN
[16:45] <@Hunterj> I'm staying out of this one. I don't have a clue about the mobile games.
[16:45] <+Tigernose> This topic may not end here
[16:45] <+Tigernose> I think more research should be done
[16:46] <+Tigernose> Preferably all sources of official announcments
[16:46] <@HiQu> So should we contact Handheld Games
[16:46] <@Hunterj> Do we know who made the game?
[16:46] <@Hunterj> Ah.
[16:46] <@Hunterj> I'd like to contact them myself.
[16:46] <@HiQu> ok
[16:46] <@HiQu> http://www.handheldgames.us/
[16:46] <+OOM-10> I shall contact them if someone gives me the corect deartment
[16:47] <@HiQu> theres the website.
[16:47] <@Hunterj> I contact game developers quite a lot, so I'll e-mail them at some point
[16:47] <@HiQu> ok
[16:47] <+OOM-10> I'm leaving at 22:00
[16:47] <@Hunterj> Right.
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[16:47] <+OOM-10> I have to go to bed
[16:47] <@Hunterj> So, we contact handheld games and see what happens.
[16:47] <@Hunterj> Ok
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[16:47] <+OOM-10> How embrassig :s
�03[16:47] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 12: Alpha Disruptor in Q4B?�'
[16:47] <@Hunterj> heh
[16:48] <+Henrikv4> I need to go to, bye...
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[16:48] <@Hunterj> Ah, bye
[16:48] <+OOM-10> It was the Alpha Cannon
[16:48] <@Hunterj> Is the alpha disruptor in Q4B?
[16:48] <+Tigernose> Havent played ToF for a long time
[16:48] <@HiQu> It's Alpha Cannon. At least for me
[16:48] <+Tigernose> Whats Q4B agin?
[16:48] <@Hunterj> Quest for Booty
[16:49] <@Hunterj> I can't remember at all.
[16:49] <+Tigernose> Alpha Cannon
[16:49] <@Hunterj> Maybe someone could volunteer to check, and then correct the articles and leave a message on the talk pages saying they've done so.
[16:49] <+Tigernose> I remember reading it in one of the articles
[16:49] <@HiQu> When you get it, it's already fully upgraded to Alpha Cannon.
[16:49] <@Hunterj> Ah, I think I remember that.
[16:49] <+Tigernose> Techinically it is the Alpha Cannon. T
[16:49] <@Hunterj> Ok
[16:50] <+Tigernose> There were no traces of the Alpha Disruptor mentioned in Q4B
[16:50] <@Hunterj> !Alpha Disruptor
[16:50] <@Hunterj> !ratchet Alpha Disruptor
[16:50] <+HunterG-88> Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha_Disruptor
[16:50] <+Tigernose> If the Alpha Distruptor was actually mentioned in the game then that might change the views
[16:51] <@HiQu> true, Smuggler says, "I recently accuiered this here Alpha Disruptor"
[16:51] <@HiQu> But if you buy it he gives you the Alpha Cannon
[16:51] <@Hunterj> Ah
[16:51] <@Hunterj> Mentioned only then
[16:51] <@Hunterj> Agreed?
[16:51] <+Tigernose> Ah
[16:51] <+OOM-10> Figure of speech?
[16:51] <@HiQu> yes
[16:51] <+Tigernose> Now that is a twist to the tale
[16:51] <@Hunterj> The weapon is not in the game, but it is mentioned.
[16:51] <+Tigernose> @ OOM-10 - doubt it
[16:52] <@Hunterj> Probably a programming mistake...
[16:52] <+Tigernose> OKay this is the bottom line
[16:52] <@HiQu> true
[16:52] <+Tigernose> Alpha Disruptoir was in ToF
[16:52] <@HiQu> I'll change it now.
[16:52] <+Tigernose> But it wasnt used in QfB
[16:53] <@Hunterj> HiQu: beat you to it.
[16:53] <+Tigernose> Its a different game so yes 
[16:53] <@Hunterj> Ok
�03[16:54] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 13: Messages that are sent to talk pages in mass�'
[16:54] <@Hunterj> I think it's a form of spam, but I think we should consider making a policy about it. We've had my action figure thing, Clank 720's spyro wiki notice, etc. I think we need to stop it now. Messages from admins about the site should be ok though, like the one I made for the IRC meeting.
[16:54] <+OOM-10> Going in 6 mins
[16:55] <@HiQu> agreed
[16:55] <+Tigernose> Yeah, but you may need an important announcment told to the peoples of the wiki
[16:55] <@HiQu> that's the policy
[16:55] <+Tigernose> Techinically, we only have like 5 sysops to like 80 users.
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[16:56] <+Tigernose> This is slowing me down
[16:56] <@HiQu> Hi
[16:56] <Mobutu4_> I'd say No
[16:57] <Mobutu4_> Did ya guys go over lombax eye color?
[16:57] <@HiQu> yes'
[16:57] <@HiQu> were on topic 13
[16:57] <Mobutu4_> what's the final answer?
[16:57] <@HiQu> it'll stay as green
[16:57] <Mobutu4_> :|
[16:57] <@HiQu> you can read the transcript after the meeting is done
[16:58] <@HiQu> It has a footnote which tells you that only one lombax is seen.
[16:58] <@Hunterj> So, no mass messages on talk pages, unless it's from an admin on an important subject which has been previously discussed.
�03[16:58] * HiQu sets mode: +v Mobutu4_
[16:58] <@Hunterj> OK?
[16:58] <@HiQu> yes
�03[16:58] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 14: Fan websites�'
[16:59] <@Hunterj> Oh, and a policy will be created about it.
[16:59] <+Tigernose> Aha, I bought this up messaging Hunterj
[16:59] <+Tigernose> Channel 64 see talk
[16:59] <@HiQu> Personally I think not unless we become friends with them or if they are particularly notable (for example if insomniac games mentions them - Hunterj
[16:59] <+OOM-10> They should be mentioned if they're friends of the wiki
[16:59] <@Hunterj> Yes.
[16:59] <+Tigernose> We should put the fan websites on an extra page that lists all RC related sites.
[16:59] <@Hunterj> We should have article for all of our friends.
[17:00] <+Mobutu4_> what about #5? just curious
[17:00] <+Tigernose> Yeh
[17:00] <@Hunterj> Ah, wait a second.
[17:00] <@Hunterj> We could make articles about notable ones, and then contact the sites and see if they want to write or mention us.
[17:00] <@Hunterj> Wikia suggests that.
[17:00] <+Mobutu4_> what was the #5 final?
[17:00] <@HiQu> Mobutu4: You can read the transcript of this meeting after it has been done.
[17:00] <+OOM-10> I'm going now, tell me what happens tomorrow. Bye!
[17:01] <@HiQu> bye
[17:01] <+OOM-10> See you mate
[17:01] <+Tigernose> Bye
[17:01] <@Hunterj> Mobutu4_: after, I'll go over it then... saves confusion
[17:01] <@Hunterj> Bye
[17:01] <+OOM-10> See you too
[17:01] <+Mobutu4_> That'll take forever...
[17:01] <+Mobutu4_> bye
[17:01] <+OOM-10> See you aswell (user of the month tomorrow)
[17:01] <@Hunterj> OK, so what are we going to do about fan websites?
[17:02] <@HiQu> I vote for not to have them. at all.
[17:02] <@Hunterj> Excpet friends?
[17:02] <@Hunterj> For the time-being...
[17:02] <@HiQu> yes
[17:02] <@Hunterj> Ok, anyone disagree?
[17:02] <+Mobutu4_> About what
[17:02] <@Hunterj> About making articles on fan websites
[17:02] <+Mobutu4_> What kind
[17:03] <+Mobutu4_> of "articles"
[17:03] <@HiQu> !ratchet Channel 64 (website)
[17:03] <+HunterG-88> HiQu: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Channel_64_(website)
[17:03] <+Tigernose> We should puit them underneath a category or big article or something
[17:03] <@Hunterj> You can't link to things with brackets HiQu...
[17:03] <@Hunterj> doesn't work
[17:03] <@HiQu> works for me.
[17:03] <+Tigernose> I dont think we would want unofficial webistes clogging up the space of our wiki
[17:04] <@HiQu> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Channel_64_%28website%29
[17:04] <@Hunterj> I don't think we should have articles on them at all.
[17:04] <+Mobutu4_> Nah, bad idea
[17:04] <@Hunterj> Unless they are a friend
[17:04] <@Hunterj> At least for the time being
[17:04] <+Tigernose> ok fine
[17:04] <@HiQu> So vote: Who wants to have article of them.
[17:04] <+Mobutu4_> Final:Friend or it's a big NOO
[17:04] <@Hunterj> Per Mobutu4_
[17:05] <@HiQu> agree
[17:05] <@Hunterj> So Channel 64 is deleted
[17:05] <+Mobutu4_> Yup
[17:05] <@HiQu> done.
[17:05] <+Mobutu4_> That's totally unofficial
[17:05] <+Mobutu4_> Wow, so fast :)
[17:05] <@Hunterj> OK
�03[17:06] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 15: User images�'
[17:06] <+Tigernose> hehe already?
[17:06] <+Mobutu4_> I'm gonna go a little off-subject, who wants admin rights on the diseases wiki?
[17:06] <@Hunterj> More and more images are being uploaded for the sole purpose of a user page. This is fine but I think we need to limit the amount (a policy) and create a template to put on the image's page informing users that it's a user image
[17:06] <@Hunterj> Mobutu4_: after the meeting please, for the transcript's sake
[17:06] <@HiQu> Hunterj: how was it?
[17:06] <@HiQu> Hunterj: Was it 3 allowed?
[17:06] <+Tigernose> ive got lag im quitting and regioning
[17:06] <@Hunterj> I'm sure we've already done this...
[17:06] <+Tigernose> 6
[17:06] <@Hunterj> Ok
[17:06] <+Tigernose> 6 allowed right? said in the last meeting
[17:07] <@Hunterj> Yes.
[17:07] <@Hunterj> I think so.
[17:07] <@HiQu> Tigernose, clear all of your cookies
[17:07] <+Tigernose> okay cya (coming back)
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[17:07] <@HiQu> it'll make it faster
[17:07] <+Mobutu4_> 6 what
[17:07] <@Hunterj> So, 6?
[17:07] <@Hunterj> 6 images each user is allowed to upload for the sole purpose of a persoanl project like a sig or user page.
[17:07] <+Mobutu4_> Oh...
[17:08] <@Hunterj> If it's used in an article as well, then it doesn't count as part of your limit
[17:08] <+Mobutu4_> I've only done 1.... I need to rename it Stretched-Brained Sasha :)
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�03[17:08] * HiQu sets mode: +v Tigernose
[17:08] <@Hunterj> Mobutu4_: If you rename it, then please put the {{delete}} template on the old image.
[17:08] <+Tigernose> am i back?
[17:08] <+Tigernose> what changed?
[17:08] <@Hunterj> So, 6 images.
[17:09] <@HiQu> Mobutu4_: You need to add a source and license info to that.
[17:09] <@Hunterj> yes
[17:09] <@HiQu> nothing actually
[17:09] <@Hunterj> the original image's source and license.
[17:09] <@Hunterj> And say that you modified it.
[17:09] <+Tigernose> okay,
[17:09] <+Tigernose> we agreed 6 images anyway on the last meeting
[17:09] <+Mobutu4_> Easy! Source:R&C wiki
[17:09] <+Mobutu4_> Copyright:Yes
[17:09] <+Mobutu4_> Edited? YES!
[17:09] <@HiQu> Copyright: fair use
[17:10] <@HiQu> Source: <the link to the original image>
[17:10] <@Hunterj> yeah
[17:10] <@Hunterj> Anyway, 6 user images each
[17:10] <@HiQu> 6 or 3?
[17:10] <+Mobutu4_> 6!
[17:10] <@HiQu> ok 6
[17:10] <+Mobutu4_> Done
�03[17:10] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 16: Spanish Ratchet & Clank wiki�'
[17:11] <@Hunterj> they do not have the thing we have on our main page linking to the Ratchet & Clank wikis in other languages, all of the other ones do. I don't speak Spanish, they don't seem active, and the main page is locked.
[17:11] <+Mobutu4_> Who creted the spanish one?
[17:11] <@Hunterj> I think the best option is to contact a wikia helper or staff member.
[17:11] <@Hunterj> Innactive...
[17:11] <+Mobutu4_> And Hunterj, I'm sure that was a copy-paste message.
[17:11] <@Hunterj> yeah
[17:11] <@Hunterj> I copy waht was said on IRC meeting apge.
[17:12] <+Mobutu4_> OK
[17:12] <+Tigernose> Ok, but we should contact Wikia. However, we are not exactly that wiki. They are based upon us but they are not the same wiki.
[17:12] <+Mobutu4_> I'd go with Wikia Help
[17:12] <+Tigernose> They have there own users
[17:12] <@Hunterj> They're innactive
[17:12] <+Mobutu4_> Not me...
[17:12] <@Hunterj> And does anyone speak spanish here?
[17:12] <+Mobutu4_> If I did, I would contact them
[17:12] <@Hunterj> Wikia can contact them or add it for us.
[17:13] <@Hunterj> All ok?
[17:13] <+Mobutu4_> Why is the Main Page locked?
[17:13] <+Tigernose> Yup
[17:13] <+Tigernose> Well ours is
[17:13] <@Hunterj> they've locked it to avoid vandalism
[17:13] <@Hunterj> As have we
[17:13] <+Tigernose> Mobutu4: Ours is
[17:13] <@Hunterj> Not all wikis do it.
[17:13] <@Hunterj> Ours was vandalised when unlocked I believe.
[17:13] <@HiQu> Wikia fights against main page protecting.
[17:13] <@HiQu> ask staff.
[17:13] <@Hunterj> yeah
�03[17:13] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 17: Portals�'
[17:13] <+Mobutu4_> Hey, our wiki is active, Tigernose. It probably has been spammed before.
[17:13] <@Hunterj> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Lombax_Jerk/Portal:Astronomy
[17:13] <@Hunterj> Things like this.
[17:14] <@HiQu> official portals: yes
[17:14] <+Mobutu4_> What about it
[17:14] <@HiQu> unofficial: no
[17:14] <@Hunterj> Agreed.
[17:14] <+Tigernose> agreed
�02[17:14] * +Mobutu4_ (n=1815bb1a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-8a646d68d415a43a) Quit ("CGI:IRC"�)
[17:14] <@Hunterj> Ok, i actually propse we open a forum before we use them
[17:14] <@Hunterj> A forum to decide what portals we have.
[17:15] <@HiQu> agreed
[17:15] <@Hunterj> I think all portals should be approved by an administrator.
[17:15] <+Tigernose> Agenda please?
[17:15] <@Hunterj> !agenda
[17:15] <+HunterG-88> The agenda for the IRC meeting can be found here: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#Agenda
[17:15] <+Tigernose> thanks
[17:15] <@Hunterj> And all portals should have two active users (volunteers) who agree to update it monthly.
[17:15] <@Hunterj> Administrators can fill in for them if they forget.
[17:16] <@Hunterj> But anyway, I think this should be done in a forum, a forum I'd like to open
[17:16] <@HiQu> yes.
[17:16] <@HiQu> agreed
[17:16] <@Hunterj> OK, I'll make a forum at some point then.
[17:16] <+Tigernose> Ooh now onto SWGames friendship
�03[17:16] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 18: SWGames friendship�'
[17:17] <@HiQu> Stay or go -Mobutu4
[17:17] <@Hunterj> SG1|Hereish: If you're around...
[17:17] <@HiQu> Not...
[17:18] <@Hunterj> So, stay or go?
[17:18] <@HiQu> try to PM. It'll make a sound on mIRC.
[17:18] <+Tigernose> I dont think it's nessecary
[17:18] <@HiQu> I think. After all both are SciFi
[17:18] <@HiQu> and pretty much based on each other.
[17:18] <+Tigernose> Yes, but they're not really related
[17:18] <@Hunterj> It's not benefitting.
[17:18] <+Tigernose> Yes, good point
[17:19] <+Tigernose> But we haven't seen much benefit
[17:19] <@HiQu> Both are SciFi
[17:19] <@Hunterj> Although, Sg1 and Jedimca0 may have come to the site due to SWGames.
[17:19] <@Hunterj> I don't know
[17:19] <@Hunterj> SWGames is innactive, and I don't think a friendship if helping us.
[17:19] <+Tigernose> But if SWGames is, don't you think Bandipedia should be?
[17:19] <@Hunterj> I'm not voting on this one.
[17:19] <@Hunterj> I'm not for or against
[17:19] <+Tigernose> After all we have a few users who also edit there
[17:19] <@HiQu> We have many users who came to this site after the friendship
[17:19] <+Tigernose> Did we?
[17:19] <@HiQu> Yes.
[17:19] <@Hunterj> Two...
[17:20] <@Hunterj> Possibly...
[17:20] <+Tigernose> Lol
[17:20] <+Tigernose> But still
[17:20] <+Tigernose> It doesn't make much difference
[17:20] <@HiQu> was lethal here before the friendship?
[17:20] <@Hunterj> Yes
[17:20] <+Tigernose> Just consider: are they active or not?
[17:20] <@Hunterj> Before he edited SWGames i think.
[17:20] <@Hunterj> His original wikia account was Clank
[17:20] <@Hunterj> User:Clank
[17:20] <@Hunterj> Anyway, shall we vote?
�01[17:20] <+SG1|Hereish> Hmm.
[17:21] <@Hunterj> or not...
[17:21] <+Tigernose> Are they active or not?
[17:21] <@Hunterj> What do you think SG1?
[17:21] <+Tigernose> If they're not then theres no point anymore
�01[17:21] <+SG1|Hereish> I'm not opposed to removing the friendship.
�01[17:21] <+SG1|Hereish> I'm not supportive of it, either.  I'm more neutral than anything else.
[17:21] <@Hunterj> same here.
�01[17:22] <+SG1|Hereish> SWGames received several users after the friendship, but I'm not sure about R&C.
[17:22] <@HiQu> Like I said, both are SciFi and we have many users who came here after the friendship.
[17:22] <@HiQu> We did have some
�01[17:22] <+SG1|Hereish> Then if that's the case, I'd be opposed to ending the friendship.
[17:22] <+Tigernose> Well it's not the biggest thing ever.
[17:22] <@Hunterj> I'm pretty much against Bandipedia being a friend of R&C, so I'll stay neutral for this vote.
[17:22] <@Hunterj> We;ve not had many users.
[17:22] <@Hunterj> We've had, well, I can't really name anyone
[17:23] <+Tigernose> But they're not friends yet?
[17:23] <@Hunterj> SG1, why did you edit? Because I wanted some help wasn't it?
�01[17:23] <+SG1|Hereish> Right.
[17:23] <@Hunterj> Tigernose: I meant I'm considering voting against.
[17:23] <@HiQu> what about Jedimca0
[17:23] <@Hunterj> Again, I think I asked him ot help with categories
[17:24] <@HiQu> there was one, I'm not sure, was he user:ninja<something> or something.
[17:24] <+Tigernose> Hunterj: Yes I know that. But you said we haven't had any users from them. They're not even friends yet!
[17:24] <@Hunterj> Tigernose: I was reffering to SWGames.
[17:24] <@Hunterj> Tigernose; We'll talk about Bandipedia at the end
[17:25] <@Hunterj> One user...
[17:25] <@Hunterj> Well.
[17:25] <@Hunterj> Let's vote
[17:25] <@HiQu> anyway, SWgames had lot.
[17:25] <@Hunterj> For removal of friendship, please say I
[17:25] <@HiQu> It's about their friendship too
[17:25] <@Hunterj> Not really...
[17:25] <@Hunterj> That's for them to discuss
[17:25] <@Hunterj> Which is funny as I'm on of "them".
[17:25] <+Tigernose> ok
[17:25] <@HiQu> heh
[17:26] <@HiQu> For removal of friendship, please say I
[17:26] <+Tigernose> I
[17:26] <+Tigernose> Last moment, no point anyway actually
[17:26] <@Hunterj> I
�01[17:26] <+SG1|Hereish> GFY Tigernose. :P
[17:26] <@Hunterj> I feel like I'm betraying myself, but I can't see that it's benefited us.
[17:26] <+Tigernose> I said I just to state my opinion. Last second i realised it's pretty pointless
[17:27] <@HiQu> the magic word: SciFi
[17:27] <+Tigernose> Keeping them is pretty pointless. It's no help ANYMORE.
[17:27] <+Tigernose> HiQu: How many wikis can you name that are based on SciFi and are not our friends...
[17:27] <@HiQu> 1,000,000
�01[17:27] <+SG1|Hereish> I do agree though.  I wouldn't be opposed the establishing a friendship again sometime in the future, however.
[17:27] <@Hunterj> yes.
[17:28] <@Hunterj> Per SG1.
[17:28] <+Tigernose> Exactly, HiQu. Yes - most of the jokes and weapons etc are based upon SW but that's the gaming wiki.
[17:28] <@HiQu> R&C is a game
[17:28] <@HiQu> SW is a game
[17:29] <@Hunterj> Ok, any votes in support of the friendship?
[17:29] <@HiQu> I, but it doesn't really matter
[17:29] <@HiQu> anyway, needed to try
[17:29] <@Hunterj> As Sg1 said, we could befriend them again in a while.
[17:29] <@Hunterj> :)
[17:29] <@HiQu> yeah, it's really not a big deal.
[17:29] <@HiQu> just trying.
[17:30] <@HiQu> :)
[17:30] <@Hunterj> yes
[17:30] <+Tigernose> ok
�03[17:30] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 19: New edit window�'
[17:30] <@HiQu> !agenda
[17:30] <+HunterG-88> The agenda for the IRC meeting can be found here: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#Agenda
[17:31] <@Hunterj> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:New_edit_window
[17:31] <@Hunterj> Anyone annoyed by that?
[17:31] <@HiQu> I 
[17:31] <@Hunterj> I don't mind it.
[17:31] <@HiQu> It messes up with the codes I make.
�01[17:31] <+SG1|Hereish> Then disable it.
[17:31] <@Hunterj> You can disable it?
[17:31] <@HiQu> using the source tab?
�01[17:31] <+SG1|Hereish> Yeah.
�01[17:31] <+SG1|Hereish> Special:Preferences>Editing.
�01[17:32] <+SG1|Hereish> One of the options there.
[17:32] <@HiQu> thanks
[17:32] <@Hunterj> Great
�01[17:32] <+SG1|Hereish> NP.
�03[17:33] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 20: Infobox usage�'
[17:33] <@Hunterj> Should stub pages have infoboxes?
[17:33] <@Hunterj> I think they should
[17:33] <+Tigernose> Yes
[17:33] <+Tigernose> There's nothing wrong with them
[17:33] <+Tigernose> They supply more information
[17:34] <+Tigernose> And who says there's a rule agiasnt certain articles not having more info
[17:34] <@Hunterj> They might make the page look a bit wierd, but stub pages are meant to be expanded if possible anyway...
[17:34] <@HiQu> Unless it has like 1 or 2 things.
[17:34] <@Hunterj> Well, no, as it is a collapsable infobox
[17:34] <+Tigernose> Hunterj: Exactly. My thoughts in a nutshell
[17:34] <@HiQu> i mean Bud-Fx
[17:34] <@HiQu> !ratchet Bud-Fx
[17:34] <@Hunterj> !ratchet Bud-Fx
[17:34] <+HunterG-88> HiQu: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Bud-Fx
[17:34] <+HunterG-88> Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Bud-Fx
[17:34] <@Hunterj> lol
[17:34] <@HiQu> heh
[17:35] <@Hunterj> http://ratchet.wikia.com/index.php?title=Bud-Fx&oldid=40162
[17:35] <@Hunterj> I see nothing wrong with infoboxes like that
[17:35] <@HiQu> ok
[17:35] <@HiQu> lets keep it.
[17:35] <@Hunterj> It gives more information then waht would be there without it.
[17:36] <+Tigernose> yes
[17:36] <@HiQu> But were not sure if it's in Solana or has galactic president as goverment
[17:37] <@Hunterj> Holo-monocule.
[17:37] <@Hunterj> I think we are sure
[17:37] <@Hunterj> Hm
[17:37] <@Hunterj> Either way, that's a specific content issue, nto a infobox issue
[17:37] <@HiQu> see the page now
[17:38] <@HiQu> !ratchet Bud-Fx
[17:38] <+HunterG-88> HiQu: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Bud-Fx
[17:38] <@HiQu> thats teh only thing were sure about
[17:38] <@HiQu> the name and affiliation
[17:38] <@Hunterj> So we can question Lombax jerk as to how he knows it's in Solana
[17:38] <@Hunterj> right
[17:38] <@Hunterj> Now I see your point
[17:38] <@HiQu> i think he just added it without thinking.
[17:38] <@Hunterj> OK
[17:39] <@Hunterj> How about this.
[17:39] <@Hunterj> Infoboxes are to appear on all pages that can have at least one field filled in of each section
[17:39] <@HiQu> an exellent one
[17:40] <@Hunterj> Sound ok to everyone?
[17:40] <@HiQu> yes
�03[17:40] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 21: New sourcing pages�'
[17:40] <@HiQu> !agenda
[17:40] <+HunterG-88> The agenda for the IRC meeting can be found here: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:IRC_meetings#Agenda
[17:40] <@Hunterj> Everyone happy with the new sourcing guidlines I've made.
[17:40] <@HiQu> sorry need to do taht
[17:40] <@Hunterj> !ratchet Template:Fact
[17:40] <+HunterG-88> Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Fact
[17:41] <@HiQu> yes
[17:41] <@Hunterj> !ratchet Ratchet & Clank wiki:Sourcing
[17:41] <+HunterG-88> Hunterj: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank_wiki:Sourcing
[17:41] <@HiQu> exept that the category isn't working :P
[17:41] <@Hunterj> I linked the wrong one on the agenda I think
�03[17:41] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 23: Lombaxpedia�'
[17:42] <@Hunterj> We need to seriously reconsider this.
[17:42] <@HiQu> that's gonna be a long thing
[17:42] <+Tigernose> Do we?
[17:42] <@Hunterj> Yes
[17:42] <@Hunterj> It'll really affect our google ranking, and make us much harder ot fine.
[17:42] <@Hunterj> *find
[17:42] <+Tigernose> Such a change just for a name?
[17:42] <@Hunterj> At least according to what I've been reading
[17:42] <@Hunterj> Yes
[17:42] <+Tigernose> Exactly, we'll lose users
[17:43] <+Tigernose> Sorry a bit lag comments coming late
[17:43] <@Hunterj> No one would search for Lombaxpedia, unless they know about us already
[17:43] <@Hunterj> np
[17:43] <+Tigernose> yes
[17:43] <+Tigernose> but thene again
[17:43] <+Tigernose> It redirects doesnt it?
[17:43] <@Hunterj> Well, sort of.
[17:44] <@HiQu> not really
[17:44] <@Hunterj> But it wont be a site, it'll be a straight redirect
[17:44] <@Hunterj> So google won't pick it up as a website
[17:44] <@Hunterj> Which is a problem
[17:44] <@Hunterj> If you search a Ratchet & CLan krelated term eitehr we're top or a shopping site is top.
[17:44] <+Tigernose> ah
[17:44] <@Hunterj> If you search fastoon for example
[17:45] <@Hunterj> We're top
[17:45] <@HiQu> I vote against the name change.
[17:45] <+Tigernose> really?
[17:45] <@Hunterj> yes
[17:45] <+Tigernose> its starting in a montyh
[17:45] <@Hunterj> You search Ratchet - we're not top.
[17:45] <@Hunterj> You search Qwark (someone who isn't in the game title) we're top
[17:46] <+Tigernose> ah ok
[17:46] <@HiQu> and qwark is a character on star trek
[17:46] <@Hunterj> ah, nm we're not top for Qwark anymore it seems...
[17:46] <@Hunterj> That'd be why
[17:46] <@Hunterj> We're 10th
[17:46] <+Tigernose> oh right
[17:46] <+Tigernose> then i vote agaisnt it
[17:46] <+Tigernose> seemed pretty pointless from the start
[17:46] <@Hunterj> We're second with Talwyn
[17:46] <@Hunterj> But, I don't want to waste everyone's effort.
[17:46] <@Hunterj> PArticularly mine and Sg1's ;P
[17:46] <@Hunterj> So, I had an idea.
[17:47] <+Tigernose> yes
[17:47] <+Tigernose> Oh kool
[17:47] <@Hunterj> We could have like a lombax month or something
[17:47] <@Hunterj> To celebrate our 3rd anniversary
[17:47] <@HiQu> nice idea
[17:47] <+Tigernose> yeh thats better
[17:47] <@HiQu> should we put up a vote
[17:47] <@Hunterj> So no Lombaxpedia, but the mainpage and skin lombax styled
[17:47] <@Hunterj> Yes
[17:47] <+Tigernose> a name was too much of a drastic change
[17:47] <@Hunterj> So, who's in support of a lombax month?
[17:47] <@Hunterj> I
[17:47] <@HiQu> I
[17:48] <+Tigernose> You dont change the name of someone when they are coming of age
[17:48] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[17:48] <@Hunterj> Good point
[17:48] <@Hunterj> So, a lombax month!
[17:48] <@Hunterj> No name change
[17:48] <+Tigernose> i
[17:48] <+Tigernose> qutting and rejoining... again
[17:48] <@Hunterj> ok
[17:48] <@HiQu> But there are only 3 people deciding
[17:49] <@Hunterj> Well, two of us are the most active admins of the site.
[17:49] <@Hunterj> And this brings me nicely on to topic 9
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[17:49] <@Hunterj> one I missed by mistake
[17:49] <@HiQu> yes
[17:49] <@Hunterj> Have to wait for tigernose...
[17:49] <@Hunterj> SG1|Hereish: If you're around I could do with some support for this one
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[17:51] <+Tigernose> heya, whats changed
[17:51] <@Hunterj> Nothing
[17:51] <+Tigernose> still on the vote?
�03[17:51] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 9: Administration (out of order due to mistake)�'
[17:51] <@Hunterj> Should bureaucrats has veto powers.
[17:52] <+Tigernose> Okay - veto powers are (doubting it's the same as the veto option when choosing a map in Halo 3)
[17:52] <@HiQu> Yes, why not.
[17:52] <@Hunterj> right.
[17:52] <@Hunterj> Say there's a vote.
[17:52] <+Tigernose> I'll be back - just doing my business.
[17:52] <+Tigernose> Oh ok
[17:52] <@Hunterj> If I as a bureaucrat don't like it then I'll vote against it
[17:52] <@HiQu> ok
[17:52] <@Hunterj> If I think it will harm the wiki I'll veto it
[17:52] <+Tigernose> Explain (I'll stay for a minute longer)
[17:53] <@Hunterj> And veto means that no matter how many support, it won't happen
[17:53] <@Hunterj> So it's a big responsibility
[17:53] <+Tigernose> That's a bit too biased
[17:53] <@Hunterj> yes
[17:53] <@Hunterj> But it is a last resort
[17:53] <+Tigernose> Yes responsibility true
[17:53] <+Tigernose> ok
[17:53] <@HiQu> but you can't use veto unless you have a good reason
[17:53] <@Hunterj> Yes
[17:53] <+Tigernose> The user who created the vote or whatever should be informed
[17:53] <+Tigernose> okay I belive we should have veto 
[17:54] <@HiQu> he'll see it on the archives.
[17:54] <@Hunterj> And the only acceptable reason, to have a reason to veto (if you get what I mean) is if it will harm the wiki
[17:54] <+Tigernose> The sysops here are already extremely responsible
[17:54] <@Hunterj> Yes, but it's the bureaucrats that would get this, unless we thinkg sysops should as well
[17:54] <+Tigernose> if the vote starts - I said I. (I'm now going to do what man has done for the past 100,000 years. Getting rid of food eaten in the last 24 hours.)
[17:55] <@HiQu> Like I can't veto for SWGames because it doesn't harm the wiki but I can veto for Lombaxpedia because it decreases our google ranks.
[17:55] <@Hunterj> yes
[17:55] <@HiQu> We'll I'm not a bureaucrat but still
[17:55] <+Tigernose> I thought HiQu was a sysop
[17:55] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[17:55] <@Hunterj> He is
[17:55] <@Hunterj> He's was pretending he was a bureaucrat to explain. :P
[17:56] <+Tigernose> No I mean he doesnt have veto powers then
[17:56] <+Tigernose> OKay ill be back
[17:56] <@HiQu> bureaucrats are higher than sysops
[17:56] <@HiQu> bureaucrats have veto (probably aftetr this)
[17:56] <@HiQu> sysops not.
[17:56] <@Hunterj> they onlyAnd they can make other's bureaucrats and sysops
[17:56] <@Hunterj> That's it
[17:56] <@HiQu> unless you vote against but i'd say no
[17:57] <@Hunterj> No other difference
[17:57] <@Hunterj> OK, so Tigernose is in support of Veto powers, HiQu?
[17:57] <@Hunterj> Veto powers for bureaucrats that is.
[17:58] <@HiQu> yes.
[17:58] <+Tigernose> im back
[17:58] <@HiQu> Tigernose?
[17:58] <+Tigernose> and yes i am in support
[17:58] <@Hunterj> I am in support of veto powers, but as I'm a bureaucrat, and therefore biased view, I won't vote
[17:58] <@Hunterj> Ah, one more thing
[17:58] <@HiQu> I support: veto for bureaucrats only.
[17:58] <@Hunterj> I think each bureaucrat should agree that they want the responsibility of veto powers
[17:58] <@HiQu> agreed
[17:58] <+Tigernose> yup
[17:59] <@Hunterj> ok, so I'll ask the other bureaucrats
[17:59] <@Hunterj> I accept btw. :)
[17:59] <@HiQu> ok :)
[17:59] <@HiQu> Tigernose?
[17:59] <@Hunterj> He voted for.
[17:59] <@HiQu> for bureaucrats only
[17:59] <@HiQu> i meant
[17:59] <@HiQu> ?
�03[17:59] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 24: Wikia Spotlight�'
[17:59] <@HiQu> anyway, one vote doesn't count
[18:00] <@Hunterj> Should we try for the wikia spotlight?
[18:00] <@HiQu> Yeah.
[18:00] <@Hunterj> I think so
[18:00] <+Tigernose> yes
[18:00] <@Hunterj> I'm willing to take on new users
[18:00] <+Tigernose> alyways been a great wiki
[18:00] <@HiQu> Even Resistance: fall oof wiki has wika spotlight
[18:00] <@Hunterj>  I want to get to the 2000 article milestone ASAP.
[18:00] <+Tigernose> We would obviously have a succesful application
[18:00] <@HiQu> and its a way lot smaller.
[18:00] <@HiQu> about 100 articles
[18:00] <@Hunterj> We were spotlighted years ago, and that led me to fine the R&C wiki.
[18:00] <@Hunterj> So it certainly works. :)
[18:01] <@Hunterj> Ok.
[18:01] <+Tigernose> Hunterj: That would involve transporting a few months later when F2 is released...
[18:01] <+Tigernose> Were we?
[18:01] <@Hunterj> Ah, good point...
[18:01] <+Tigernose> I would be damn proud if I saw RC Wiki as a spotlight
[18:01] <@Hunterj> When F2 is released, wikia sometimes feature sites about new games
[18:01] <@Hunterj> Which is a reason to get the spotlight ASAP, so they might do it again in november time.
[18:02] <+Tigernose> Maybe we should wait for the Spotlight?
[18:02] <+Tigernose> Oh ok
[18:02] <@HiQu> ok
[18:02] <@HiQu> agreed
[18:02] <@Hunterj> We won't ask in november, I think we can only ask once a year
[18:02] <@HiQu> who contacts?
[18:02] <+Tigernose> Hunterj preferably
[18:02] <@Hunterj> Well, when I do the summary this week, I'll try to do it then, if I'm busy I'll ask you or someone to do it.
[18:02] <@Hunterj> Sound ok?
[18:03] <+Tigernose> Seeing thsat he is a b-crat
[18:03] <@HiQu> yes
�03[18:03] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting has now begun - topic 25: Lombax Jerk�'
[18:03] <@Hunterj> Do we nominate for sysop on the RFUR page?
[18:03] <+Tigernose> Yes
[18:03] <+Tigernose> Actually I really think we should have more sysops.
[18:04] <@HiQu> We had him a time ago.
[18:04] <+Tigernose> Look at the amount of sysops you have compared to other wikis.
[18:04] <@Hunterj> Yes, he was a sysop.
[18:04] <@HiQu> But we needed to de-sysop.
[18:04] <+Tigernose> Then again were much less prone to crisis or conflict wiki-wise
[18:04] <@Hunterj> I think he is a great editor, and is great with templates. I have two issues however.
[18:05] <@Hunterj> 1. He has in the past copied large ammounts of content from other sites without sourcing, or changing enoough
[18:05] <@Hunterj> 2. he does stuff without asking the community first.
[18:05] <@HiQu> yeah, I think that was the exact reason why we de-sysopped
[18:05] <+Tigernose> Oh
[18:06] <@Hunterj> However
[18:06] <@Hunterj> That was some time ago
[18:06] <+Tigernose> If we had him de-sysopped then that is major
[18:06] <@Hunterj> Yes.
[18:06] <+Tigernose> How long?
[18:06] <@HiQu> Hunterj: You remember?
[18:06] <@Hunterj> About 4-5 months ago
[18:07] <@Hunterj> I also blocked him for a few days a couple of months ago, however I do not hold this again him for two reasons: 1. that's history and 2. HE's still editting, and is even working with me which shows he doesn't hold a grudge.
[18:08] <@Hunterj> I am happy to nominate him for sysop if that's what people want.
[18:08] <@Hunterj> Then the community can decide.
[18:08] <+Tigernose> I'm neutral
[18:08] <@HiQu> Yes, although he definetly needs to ask the community or sysops before he edits.
[18:09] <@Hunterj> Right.
[18:09] <@HiQu> After all he's a great user.
[18:09] <@Hunterj> How about I nominate him for sysop, and vote neutral
[18:09] <@Hunterj> I then say why I'm not in support.
[18:10] <@HiQu> Maybe you should just nominate and vote after that.
[18:10] <@Hunterj> I will not vote against, and if the community are happy for him to be a sysop, we can give him sysop and see if he works on the two problems I have.
[18:10] <@Hunterj> does this sound OK?
[18:10] <@HiQu> yes
[18:11] <@HiQu> Tigernose?
[18:11] <@Hunterj> I respect Lombax jerk a lot, as he doesn't (appear to) hold anything against me, despite some difficulties we've had
[18:11] <+Tigernose> sorry i was away
[18:11] <@HiQu> nm
[18:12] <+Tigernose> yes
[18:12] <@Hunterj> Alternatively, we could give Lombax Jerk rollback rights, as a sort of trial.
[18:12] <+Tigernose> i kinda think he deserves it
[18:12] <+Tigernose> isnt he a rollback?
[18:12] <@HiQu> i'd vote for sysop or nothing.
[18:12] <@Hunterj> No
[18:12] <@Hunterj> OK
[18:12] <@Hunterj> Sysop it is then
[18:12] <+Tigernose> Thats unusual
[18:12] <+Tigernose> I thought it was rollback then sysop then bureaucrat
[18:12] <@Hunterj> Well, not really no.
[18:13] <@Hunterj> It can work like that, but not really.
[18:13] <+Tigernose> Well - I suspect the RC wiki really is unique
[18:14] <@Hunterj> I am technically you're equal even as a bureaucrat. I'm just trusted (by the community, I mean no disrespect or insult to anyone) to use some extra buttons and veto powers
[18:14] <@Hunterj> Anyway.
[18:14] <+Tigernose> Right so that's finished
[18:14] <@Hunterj> So we nominate LJ for sysop.
[18:14] <+Tigernose> IRC is over
[18:14] <@Hunterj> Everyone can vote however they wish
[18:14] <+Tigernose> Good meeting
[18:15] <@Hunterj> um one more thinmg
[18:15] <@Hunterj> Bandipedia.
[18:15] <@HiQu> oh
[18:15] <+Tigernose> Oh lol right
[18:15] <+Tigernose> Yes
�03[18:15] * Hunterj changes topic to 'IRC meeting - last topics!�'
[18:15] <@HiQu> The thing is, it's not really related.
[18:15] <@Hunterj> Most of our editors edit both sites already, so I see no benefit
[18:15] <+Tigernose> *** Tigernose did something?
[18:15] <+Tigernose> Well
[18:16] <+Tigernose> R&C and CB have the same type of gameplay
[18:16] <+Tigernose> Kinda
[18:16] <+Tigernose> But then again - how is SW related more than NaughtyDog
[18:16] <@Hunterj> Yeah, but are hte communities not the same?
[18:16] <@HiQu> well so was SWgames
[18:16] <@HiQu> no
[18:16] <@Hunterj> Are we removing SWGames?
[18:16] <@Hunterj> We are aren't we?
[18:16] <@HiQu> yes
[18:16] <@Hunterj> ok
[18:17] <+Tigernose> J&K and CB are both from NaughtyDog
[18:17] <+Tigernose> Crash Bandicoot is pretty similliar
[18:17] <@HiQu> Ratchet & Clank has Jak & Daxter pics as easter eggs.
[18:17] <@HiQu> See planet Damosel on R&C2
[18:18] <@HiQu> brb
[18:18] <+Tigernose> yes good point
[18:18] <@Hunterj> yeah, but the people who edit J&D are differnt to the R&C wiki
[18:18] <+Tigernose> SHouldnt we leave it for the peoples of the wiki to decide
[18:18] <+Tigernose> after all veto isnt active right now is it?
[18:18] <@Hunterj> It is, but I won't veto somehting like this
[18:18] <@Hunterj> I'll oppose it
[18:18] <@Hunterj> It won't hamr the iwki so I won't veto
[18:18] <+Tigernose> No - there are only 2 users in Bandipedia who also edit R&C Wiki
[18:19] <@HiQu> Lombax Jerk and who?
[18:19] <+Tigernose> Me and LJ
[18:19] <@HiQu> ok
[18:19] <+Tigernose> We might see potential
[18:19] <+Tigernose> I know a few people there already from other wikis
[18:19] <+Tigernose> they also own a PS2
[18:19] <+Tigernose> Possibly RC
[18:19] <@Hunterj> Hm, actaully I agree with you.
[18:20] <@Hunterj> I will vote in support
[18:20] <@HiQu> i'd vote for neutral if there would be a section
[18:20] <+Tigernose> oh thanks
[18:20] <@HiQu> *for that
[18:20] <+Tigernose> We should maybe add a neutral section to votes
[18:20] <@Hunterj> You're right Tigernose.
[18:20] <@Hunterj> not really
[18:20] <@Hunterj> Just don't vote
[18:20] <@HiQu> ok
[18:20] <+Tigernose> yeh good point
[18:21] <@Hunterj> In some cases neutral is needed so you can state a comment, in others it isn;t
[18:21] <@Hunterj> IMO
[18:21] <@Hunterj> Anyway, anything else?
[18:21] <+Tigernose> ACtually we already a have a comments section...
[18:21] <@Hunterj> Ah, good
[18:22] <@HiQu> I got one thing
[18:22] <@HiQu> the current featured quote..
[18:22] <@HiQu> "Hey it was mating season, how was I to know she was your sister!" 
[18:22] <@HiQu> *Captain Qwark to Skrunch[src] 
[18:22] <@Hunterj> yeah
[18:22] <@HiQu> I don't seem to find it anywhere
[18:22] <@Hunterj> It's not featured from tomorrow
[18:22] <@HiQu> I think it doesn't exist
[18:22] <@Hunterj> In an article?
[18:22] <@Hunterj> It does/..
[18:22] <@HiQu> in the game
[18:22] <@HiQu> where
[18:22] <@Hunterj> Trust me I remember hearing it
[18:23] <@HiQu> ok
[18:23] <@HiQu> I tried to search for it but nothing.
[18:23] <@Hunterj> It's on the Skrunch article
[18:23] <@Hunterj> and I don't think I added it.
[18:23] <@Hunterj> So two people have heard it
[18:23] <@HiQu> I know some versions of games have different quotes
[18:23] <+Tigernose> brb
[18:23] <@HiQu> ok
[18:24] <+Tigernose> actually im back no need to go
[18:24] <@Hunterj> Ratchet9876 added it to the article
[18:24] <@HiQu> like european Q4B has a sensored part but in American vesion he says oh crap.
[18:24] <@HiQu> ok
[18:24] <@Hunterj> Serious?
[18:25] <@HiQu> yes
[18:25] <@Hunterj> Wow
[18:25] <@Hunterj> Ok
[18:25] <@Hunterj> Anyway.
[18:25] <@HiQu> when Ratchet falls into the caves...
[18:25] <@Hunterj> Anything else?
[18:25] <@HiQu> nope
[18:25] <@Hunterj> OK, this meeting is over!
[18:25] <+Tigernose> wait
[18:25] <@Hunterj> OK
[18:25] <+Tigernose> i heard Qwark say that in R&C 3
[18:25] <@HiQu> topic changed yet?
[18:25] <+Tigernose> In the European versionm
[18:26] <@Hunterj> OK
[18:26] <@HiQu> Hunterj: the topic
[18:26] <@Hunterj> Doing it now
[18:26] <@HiQu> ok
[18:26] <@Hunterj> IRC meeting is over then
[18:26] <+Tigernose> sorry if i was off topic
[18:26] <+Tigernose> ok
[18:26] <@HiQu> nm
[18:26] <+Tigernose> thanks for the meeting
[18:27] <@HiQu> yeah
[18:27] <+Tigernose> Bye
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[23:27] * Hunterj changes topic to 'The Ratchet & Clank wiki http://ratchet.wikia.com | IRC meeting is over. Transcript coming soon, sumaries coming latter...'