This is the transcript for the IRC meeting on April 3 2010. A summary of the events is also available. Please note the time stamp is in UTC.

 03[21:47] * Tigernose changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started. '
[21:47] <+jxtreme> Yay!
[21:47] <@Tigernose> Start transcripts.
 01[21:47] <@Hunterj|Busy> Done.
 03[21:48] * Tigernose changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 1: Forum:MediaWiki - Pagetitle '
[21:48] <@Tigernose> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:MediaWiki_-_Pagetitle
[21:48] <+jxtreme> I don't get this. Do we want to change the titile of the wiki?
[21:48] <@Tigernose> So this is about the search engine result text, right?
[21:49] <@Tigernose> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Pagetitle
[21:49] <@Tigernose> This is our current one.
[21:49] <+jxtreme> So what comes up on Google?
[21:49] <@Tigernose> Ratchet & Clank wiki 
[21:49] <@Tigernose> As the title.
[21:49] <+jxtreme> Ah.
[21:49] <@Tigernose> Although we could add keywords like:
[21:49] <@Tigernose> Cheats
[21:49] <@Tigernose> A Crack in Time News
[21:49] <@Tigernose> Stuff like that.
 01[21:49] <@Hunterj|Busy> IMO we've got three
 01[21:49] <@Hunterj|Busy> options
[21:49] <+jxtreme> That would be good.
[21:49] <+Seahorseruler> I believe it shows on the page title on your browser too
[21:49] <@Tigernose> It's a bit late now for ACiT news as it's April.
 01[21:49] <@Hunterj|Busy> Yes
[21:49] <@Tigernose> Yes.
 01[21:49] <@Hunterj|Busy> Which is why it could be annoying
[21:50] <@Tigernose> So the options?
 01[21:50] <@Hunterj|Busy> We could eitehr A) have something simple like "The Ratchet & Clank wiki"
 01[21:50] <@Hunterj|Busy> B) Use topical keywords as Tigernose said
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 01[21:50] <@Hunterj|Busy> C)Have nothing
 01[21:50] <@Hunterj|Busy> IMO, A is the most user friendly
[21:50] <@Tigernose> Lets decide on the choice, and if B, decide on the keywords.
 06[21:50] * @Tigernose votes B
[21:50] <+jxtreme> I don't see why not to use keywords
[21:51] <@Tigernose> XephrSmasher?
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 01[21:51] <@Hunterj|Busy> Keywords will help with google rankings apparantly.
[21:51] <@Tigernose> Okayyy
[21:51] <@Tigernose> Yeah, a lot of people search ACiT and stuff.
[21:51] <+jxtreme> Would the keywords some up on the browser title bar?
[21:51] <+Seahorseruler> I personally like to use that to have a very short description of what the wiki is about
 01[21:51] <@Hunterj|Busy> The keywords would, IMO have to be topical, so related to the newsest R&C news
[21:51] <@Tigernose> If everybody could vote by typing "/me votes x"
 01[21:51] <@Hunterj|Busy> Seahorseruler: I never thought opf tht
 01[21:51] <@Hunterj|Busy> *of that
[21:51] <@Tigernose> Just for clarification.
 01[21:51] <@Hunterj|Busy> After
 01[21:52] <@Hunterj|Busy> We shold discuss this a little really
[21:52] <@Tigernose> Yeah.
[21:52] <@Tigernose> Here's the CPW's one for example:
[21:52] <@Tigernose> http://clubpenguin.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Pagetitle
 01[21:52] <@Hunterj|Busy> The downside to keywords is that the long list can get a bit annoying
[21:52] <@Tigernose> I think this is the one Sea's talking about.
[21:52] <@Tigernose> "Club Penguin Wiki - The free, editable encyclopedia about Club Penguin "
[21:52] <+Seahorseruler> Tigernose: yeah, I actually created that title 
[21:52] <@Tigernose> Heh.
[21:52] <@Tigernose> Is editable a word?
 01[21:53] <@Hunterj|Busy> Personally I'd ratehr go with just The Ratchet & CLank wiki
 01[21:53] <@Hunterj|Busy> I think so.
[21:53] <+Seahorseruler> yes it is
[21:53] <+jxtreme> Just R&C wiki>
[21:53] <@Tigernose> Suppose.
 01[21:53] <@Hunterj|Busy> OK, so should we vote?
[21:53] <@Tigernose> Okay.
[21:53] <@Tigernose> Drophyd's not here now though.
[21:53] <+Drophyd167b> I think something like the Club Penquin one would be good, which one does that go under?
[21:53] <@Tigernose> He should come back in a min.
[21:53] <@Tigernose> D
[21:53] <@Tigernose> Hi.
 01[21:54] <@Hunterj|Busy> Option A is basically what we do at the minute
[21:54] <+Drophyd167b> Sorry, I was here, just couldn't really say anything that would matter for this one
 01[21:54] <@Hunterj|Busy> btw
[21:54] <@Tigernose> I'll just put myself away so nobody disturbs me from some other channel.
 01[21:54] <@Hunterj|Busy> OK
 01[21:54] <@Hunterj|Busy> np
 03[21:54] * Tigernose is now known as Tiger|Away
 01[21:54] <@Hunterj|Busy> So, vote?
[21:54] <@Tiger|Away> K.
 06[21:54] * @Tiger|Away votes b
 06[21:55] * @Hunterj|Busy votes A
[21:55] <@Tiger|Away> Purely for ranking
[21:55] <+Drophyd167b> But would one like the Club Penguin one be B?
[21:55] <@Tiger|Away> D
 03[21:55] * Hunterj|Busy is now known as Hunterj
 01[21:55] <@Hunterj> CPW would be D
[21:55] <@Tiger|Away> A is user-friendlyness
[21:55] <+Drophyd167b> Oh, I get you
[21:55] <@Tiger|Away> B is ranking
[21:55] <@Tiger|Away> C is i dunno
[21:55] <@Tiger|Away> D is informative
 06[21:55] * +jxtreme votes A
[21:55] <+jxtreme> What's D?
[21:55] <@Tiger|Away> Seahorseruler?
[21:56] <+Seahorseruler> I like D, since it tells you exactly what your about to see
[21:56] <@Tiger|Away> Like CPW
[21:56] <+Drophyd167b> My votes not coming up...
[21:56] <@Tiger|Away> Do /me votes x
 01[21:56] <@Hunterj>  Are you typing /me votes x
 01[21:56] <@Hunterj> No space before /me
[21:56] <@Tiger|Away> yh
 06[21:56] * +Seahorseruler votes D
[21:56] <+Drophyd167b> You replace the me with your name, right?
 01[21:57] <@Hunterj> n
 01[21:57] <@Hunterj> *no
[21:57] <+Seahorseruler> nope
[21:57] <@Tiger|Away> No.
[21:57] <+Drophyd167b> Oh right
[21:57] <@Tiger|Away> Just me
[21:57] <@Tiger|Away> :)
 06[21:57] * +Drophyd167b votes D
[21:57] <@Tiger|Away> D wins?
[21:57] <+jxtreme> I'm changing  my vote.
 06[21:57] * +jxtreme votes D
 01[21:57] <@Hunterj> Wait a sec
[21:57] <@Tiger|Away> Ok, clear winner?
[21:57] <@Tiger|Away> Yes?
 01[21:57] <@Hunterj> Isn't it two A two D
 01[21:57] <@Hunterj> Oh, nm
 01[21:57] <@Hunterj> He changes his vote
 01[21:57] <@Hunterj> OK
[21:58] <@Tiger|Away> Ratchet & Clank wiki - The free, editable encyclopedia about Ratchet & Clank!
[21:58] <@Tiger|Away> Yes?
 01[21:58] <@Hunterj> We do have otehr ways of deciding between the two if you didn't want to change jxtreme, but if you're happy then that's fine
[21:58] <+jxtreme> I didn't know D exxisted
 01[21:58] <@Hunterj> Ah, ok
 01[21:58] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: Maybe a little diffferent to make it more original, but that basic principle I guess.
[21:58] <+Drophyd167b> Maybe something a little more original, and not just Club Penguin's with name changed
[21:58] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
[21:58] <+jxtreme> Yea
 01[21:58] <@Hunterj> OK
 01[21:58] <@Hunterj> Next topic
 01[21:58] <@Hunterj> :)
[21:59] <@Tiger|Away> Btw, lets not dwell too much on one topic.
 03[21:59] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 2: Userboxes '
[21:59] <+Drophyd167b> Yep
 01[21:59] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[21:59] <@Tiger|Away> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Userboxes
 01[21:59] <@Hunterj> OK.
 01[21:59] <@Hunterj> Basically I want to get rid of Template:Userbox name
 01[21:59] <@Hunterj> replace it with one template
[21:59] <@Tiger|Away> I think we could do that.
 01[21:59] <@Hunterj> That can be edited with images, colours text etc using parameters
[22:00] <+jxtreme> I like it.
[22:00] <@Tiger|Away> It's just that some people may find it hard.
 01[22:00] <@Hunterj> So instead of {{ratchetfan}}
 01[22:00] <@Hunterj> We'd make a simple set of instructions
 01[22:00] <@Hunterj> It might be comething like
[22:00] <+Drophyd167b> I think we should keep the userboxes that are there already, but encourage users to create their own and add them
[22:00] <@Tiger|Away> We could have the basic ones, then user-created ones.
[22:00] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
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 01[22:00] <@Hunterj> {{userbox|blue|This user is a fan of Ratchet}}
[22:00] <+Seahorseruler> hi
 01[22:00] <@Hunterj> Hi
[22:00] <@Tiger|Away> And emphasise on adding them.
[22:00] <@jeanne> Hi
[22:00] <@Tiger|Away> Hi Nifky.
[22:01] <+jxtreme> Hi.
[22:01] <@jeanne> The meeting has started now?
[22:01] <@Tiger|Away> By the way, Seahorseruler's bot has a script that allows you to vote.
[22:01] <@Tiger|Away> Yes, second Topic.
[22:01] <@jeanne> Not too sure. 
[22:01] <+Drophyd167b> Hi
[22:01] <@jeanne> Ok, thanks
[22:01] <@Tiger|Away> So we should vote ASAP.
[22:01] <@Tiger|Away> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Userboxes
 01[22:01] <@Hunterj> Now HiQu agrees with removing 'official' ones, but he can't vote.
 01[22:01] <@Hunterj> SO yeah
 01[22:01] <@Hunterj> Any questions?
[22:01] <@Tiger|Away> Ah yeah, HiQu...
 01[22:02] <@Hunterj> Just saying his opinion
[22:02] <@Tiger|Away> Anyone?
[22:02] <@Tiger|Away> Lets vote:
[22:02] <+Drophyd167b> I want to keep them mainly because of the category things
[22:02] <@Tiger|Away> Only user created?
[22:02] <@Tiger|Away> A: Only user created
[22:02] <@jeanne> I'll stick with the official ones
 01[22:02] <@Hunterj> So vote; for is for removing unnofficial userboxes and replacing them with unnoficial ones, and against is against
 01[22:02] <@Hunterj> :)
[22:02] <@Tiger|Away> B: Premade and usercreated ones with emphasis on user created
 06[22:02] * @Tiger|Away votes B
 01[22:03] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: There's only two options really.
 06[22:03] * +Drophyd167b votes B
 01[22:03] <@Hunterj> NM
 06[22:03] * +jxtreme votes B
[22:03] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
[22:03] <@Tiger|Away> Seahorseruler?
 06[22:03] * @Hunterj votes A
 06[22:03] * +Seahorseruler votes B
[22:03] <@Tiger|Away> K.
 01[22:03] <@Hunterj> So we're leaving it as it is mostly?
[22:03] <@Tiger|Away> So we will continue with our system and emphasise on creating user-created ones.
[22:04] <@Tiger|Away> Using your tutorial thing, Hunterj.
 01[22:04] <@Hunterj> ok
[22:04] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, that works
 03[22:04] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 3: UYA ending characters '
 01[22:04] <@Hunterj> Next then!
 01[22:04] <@Hunterj> :)
[22:04] <@Tiger|Away> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Up_Your_Arsenal_ending_characters
[22:04] <@Tiger|Away> So I'm getting a PVR, so i can take a screenshot and upload it.
[22:04] <@Tiger|Away> Who else can do that now?
[22:05] <@Tiger|Away> Take a clear screenshot of the UYA scene with the ending characters in the cinema watching Secret Agent Clank's film.
[22:05] <@Tiger|Away> brb
 01[22:05] <@Hunterj> I thknk that's about all
 01[22:05] <@Hunterj> *think
 01[22:05] <@Hunterj> I don't really know why that was added to the agenda... :S
[22:05] <@jeanne> :/
[22:05] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, the most we've got now is pausing a YouTube video
[22:05] <+Drophyd167b> We moving on then?
 01[22:06] <@Hunterj> OK
[22:06] <@Tiger|Away> Yep.
[22:06] <@Tiger|Away> back.
 01[22:06] <@Hunterj> Next then.
 01[22:06] <@Hunterj> :)
[22:06] <@Tiger|Away> Just wanted to know, who can do that?
[22:06] <@Tiger|Away> Find a screenshot.
 01[22:06] <@Hunterj> Only you it'd seem, and YouTube...
[22:06] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah, YouTube.
 01[22:06] <@Hunterj> OK
[22:06] <@Tiger|Away> Anybody volunteering?
[22:07] <+jxtreme> I can't.
[22:07] <@Tiger|Away> Well okay, next topic, I can do it.
 01[22:07] <@Hunterj> Next topic?
[22:07] <+Drophyd167b> I can't
 03[22:07] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 4:Biography || http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Biography '
 01[22:07] <@Hunterj> Biography - at the minute articles like Clank, Ratchet and Qwark have long sections with the title of each section being the name of the video game, I was thinking that maybe we should change it to biography and change all of the game name sections into sub headings. It would make it more consistent and up to date with articles like Ace Hardlight and Nefarious, both of which are on the FA que or near it if I remember correctly. The only thing I will add is that I don't think we should re-name these sections, as it could be difficult to navigate and read with longer articles, I just think we should make them sub sections of a biography section. Hunterj
[22:07] <@Tiger|Away> SO.
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[22:07] <@Tiger|Away> *So.
 01[22:07] <@Hunterj> That's what I've said
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 01[22:07] <@Hunterj> That explains it
[22:07] <@Tiger|Away> This also expands on another topic, item 13.
[22:07] <@Tiger|Away> Item 13 will expand on this topic.
[22:08] <@Tiger|Away> If we choose to implement this topic.
[22:08] <@Tiger|Away> Just saying.
[22:08] <@jeanne> Ok
 01[22:08] <@Hunterj> I agree - I think character articles should be divided into sections that relate to key periods in their lives. Ace Hardlight and Nefarious that Hunterj linked are good examples. Dividing articles according to the game titles might seem logical, but it's hardly useful and ends up being too lengthy. -- Ku?t????a????
[22:08] <+Drophyd167b> Okay
 01[22:08] <@Hunterj> *Kurtskywalker
 01[22:08] <@Hunterj> With long articles like Qwark I'd like the game titles to remain as sub sections of the biography section, it makes it easy to navigate, but then we can split up the sections into more specific "sub-sub sections". Hunterj
[22:09] <@Tiger|Away> We will elaborate this biography business more on topic 13.
[22:09] <@Tiger|Away> But for now:
[22:09] <@Tiger|Away> A: Use current method with Level 2 heading for each game
 01[22:09] <@Hunterj> Tom|Awayer:Wait
 01[22:09] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away
 01[22:09] <@Hunterj> :wait
 01[22:09] <@Hunterj> Stupid keyboard...
[22:09] <@Tiger|Away> Yes?
 01[22:09] <@Hunterj> Just do a simple for or against the changes
[22:09] <@jeanne> Mm
[22:09] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah suppose, just wanted to explain.
[22:10] <+Drophyd167b> I  find that articles like Qwark and Ratchet are a little shorter on detailing the plots of each game, whereas, say, Nefarious goes to great lengths for each game
[22:10] <+Seahorseruler> !vote on
 01[22:10] <@Hunterj> Drophyd167b: Yeah, this is about organising content rather than that, but point taken.
 01[22:10] <@Hunterj> SHould we vote now?
[22:10] <+jxtreme> Do we vote now?
[22:10] <@jeanne> Yes
[22:10] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, I know, just saying that the game titles may limit it
[22:11] <+Drophyd167b> So which are for and against?
[22:11] <@Tiger|Away> Drophyd, we will have that discussed in Topic 13.
[22:11] <+Drophyd167b> Okay
 06[22:11] * @Tiger|Away vote for the new idea
[22:11] <@jeanne> Brb
 06[22:11] * +jxtreme votes yes
 06[22:11] * @Hunterj votes for the change
[22:11] <+Drophyd167b> Is yes game titles?
 01[22:11] <@Hunterj> Game titles as sub headings for a boigraphy section
[22:12] <+jxtreme> Yes is the change described here
[22:12] <+jxtreme> what hunterj said
 06[22:12] * +Drophyd167b votes yes
[22:12] <+Drophyd167b> I really hope I got the right change
 06[22:13] * +Seahorseruler votes yes
 01[22:13] <@Hunterj> Drophyd167b: You want game titles yes?
 01[22:13] <@Hunterj> As sub-headings?
[22:13] <+Drophyd167b> No, life events
[22:13] <@Tiger|Away> No no that's not what we mean.
[22:14] <@Tiger|Away> As I said, we'll be expanding on it.
[22:14] <@Tiger|Away> We just mean Biography as a level 2 heading.
[22:14] <@Tiger|Away> That's it.
[22:14] <@Tiger|Away> And sub-headings underneath.
 01[22:14] <@Hunterj> Should we move on?
 01[22:14] <@Hunterj> That's at least three votes for.
[22:14] <@Tiger|Away> Drophyd167b ?
[22:14] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, I mean I want events to be the sub-headings and not game titles
[22:14] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah suppose.
[22:15] <@Tiger|Away> I know.
[22:15] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, move on
 01[22:15] <@Hunterj> Drophyd167b: OK. We'll ad that to a later agenda.
 03[22:15] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 5: Clank Challenges - http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Clank_Challenges '
 01[22:15] <@Hunterj> *add
[22:15] <+Drophyd167b> Add what?
[22:15] <@Tiger|Away> Hunterj, it's already as topic 13.
 01[22:15] <@Hunterj> Not as headings though
 01[22:15] <@Hunterj> IIRC
[22:15] <@Tiger|Away> So, individual articles for Clank Challenges?
[22:16] <@Tiger|Away> Hunterj, yeah we'll make it cover that.
 01[22:16] <@Hunterj> OK
 06[22:16] * @jeanne votes for
[22:16] <+jxtreme> Yes, individual articles
[22:16] <+Drophyd167b> What would we name them?
[22:16] <@Tiger|Away> !start vote Should there be articles for each Clank Challenge?
 01[22:16] <@Hunterj> jeanne: For This or the last topic?
[22:16] <@Tiger|Away> After they're name.
[22:16] <@Tiger|Away> !yes
[22:16] <@jeanne> Both
 01[22:16] <@Hunterj> OK
[22:16] <+Drophyd167b> Oh yeah, forgot about that
[22:16] <@Tiger|Away> I tried the bot.
 06[22:16] * @Hunterj votes for
[22:16] <@Tiger|Away> !vote on
[22:16] <+Drophyd167b> Wait, but those are areas
[22:17] <@Tiger|Away> !start vote Should there be articles for each Clank Challenge?
[22:17] <@Tiger|Away> I think there's one for each.
[22:17] <@Tiger|Away> !yes
 06[22:17] * +jxtreme votes for
[22:17] <+Seahorseruler> Tiger|Away: !set q Should there be articles for each Clank Challenge?
 06[22:17] * +Drophyd167b votes for
[22:17] <+Seahorseruler> then !set v1 Yes
[22:17] <CPW-Bot> 1 Has Been Set.
 06[22:17] * @Tiger|Away votes for
[22:17] <+Drophyd167b> But have puzzle in brackets at the end of each one
[22:18] <@Tiger|Away> K.
[22:18] <+Drophyd167b> As they are the names of areas as well
[22:18] <+Drophyd167b> Ok
[22:18] <@Tiger|Away> Each challenge has it's own tactics as well.
[22:18] <+Drophyd167b> We moving on?
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 01[22:18] <@Hunterj> ok, next topic
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 01[22:18] <@Hunterj> Hello
[22:18] <@jeanne> Hi joeyaa 
 03[22:19] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 6: Sidebar - http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Sidebar '
[22:19] <@Tiger|Away> This is an important topic.
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[22:19] <+joeyaa> Am I late for the meeting?
[22:19] <@Tiger|Away> Lost connection I presume.
[22:19] <@jeanne> A bit
[22:19] <@Tiger|Away> Very funny.
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[22:19] <+joeyaa> :(
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 01[22:19] <@Hunterj> joeyaa: You haven't missed to much
 01[22:20] <@Hunterj> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Sidebar
[22:20] <@Tiger|Away> So Topic 6.
 01[22:20] <@Hunterj> I'd recommend seeing that
[22:20] <@Tiger|Away> It's on the topic.
[22:20] <+Drophyd167b> Wait, who's joeyaa?
[22:20] <+jxtreme> The sidebar needs more.
[22:20] <@jeanne> A vstf
[22:20] <@Tiger|Away> Some guy who goes around wikia
[22:20] <@Tiger|Away> :p
[22:20] <+Drophyd167b> Ah, okay
[22:20] <+joeyaa> Wikia volunteer
[22:20] <@jeanne> The sidebar is a bit long
[22:20] <@Tiger|Away> So I've got an idea in mind for a user friendly sidebar.
[22:21] <+Drophyd167b> How would a re-designed look?
[22:21] <@Tiger|Away> The current one is way to complex and difficult.
[22:21] <+jxtreme> agreed.
[22:21] <@Tiger|Away> So, we could have menus for characters locations
[22:21] <@Tiger|Away> Then one menu called "Community"
[22:21] <@Tiger|Away> That's the stuff that affects users.
[22:21] <@Tiger|Away> As people read this wiki, it's not just us.
[22:21] <@Tiger|Away> And the sidebar is a good source for navigation.
[22:21] <@jeanne> Team
[22:22] <+Seahorseruler> it needs more links to articles 
[22:22] <+Drophyd167b> Could there be a menu for each game, each one detailing the characters and location within that game?
[22:22] <@jeanne> I meant yes, sorry
 01[22:22] <@Hunterj> Should we vote to change the sidebar or not to change the sidebar, discuss details on site?
[22:22] <@jeanne> Ok
[22:22] <@Tiger|Away> We should discuss it on forum:sidebar then.
[22:22] <@Tiger|Away> We'll reopen it after the meeting.
[22:22] <@Tiger|Away> So:
 01[22:22] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: New forum, that'sd closed
 06[22:22] * @Tiger|Away votes for a redesign
 01[22:22] <@Hunterj> *that;'s
 06[22:22] * @Hunterj votes for redesign
[22:22] <@Tiger|Away> Reopen?
[22:22] <+Seahorseruler> maybe one would be Places, Characters, Games, ect.
 06[22:23] * +Seahorseruler votes for
 01[22:23] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: maybe.
 06[22:23] * +Drophyd167b votes for a redesign
 01[22:23] <@Hunterj> I'll sort out the summary
 06[22:23] * +jxtreme votes for redesign
[22:23] <@Tiger|Away> Either category then game
[22:23] <@Tiger|Away> or game then category
 06[22:23] * @jeanne too
[22:23] <@Tiger|Away> Okay.
 01[22:23] <@Hunterj> NExt topic
[22:23] <@Tiger|Away> Next meeting.
[22:23] <@Tiger|Away> *topi
[22:23] <@Tiger|Away> *topic
[22:23] <@Tiger|Away> :p
[22:23] <+Seahorseruler> lol :P
 03[22:23] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 6: Walkthrough suggestions - http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Walkthrough_suggestions '
[22:24] <@Tiger|Away> So this covers two proposals.
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[22:24] <@Tiger|Away> Firstly is a succession box.
 01[22:24] <@Hunterj> I just thought of two new suggestions to our Walkthrough system. Firstly, I was thinking of making a walkthrough for each game called "Prologue". It simply described the game in hand, what's it about, a few tips on how to play without revealing too much. I also think there should be a navigation template at the bottom of each walkthrough, so you can easily go to the next walkthrough. TIGERNOSE
[22:24] <@Tiger|Away> So on Walkthrough:Ratchet & Clank for example
[22:24] <@Tiger|Away> !ratchet Walkthrough:Ratchet & Clank
[22:25] <+HunterG-88> Tiger|Away: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Walkthrough:Ratchet_&_Clank
[22:25] <@jeanne> I like a navigation template
[22:25] <+jxtreme> Yes for the template, but why do you need a prolouge?
[22:25] <@Tiger|Away> Sorry
[22:25] <@Tiger|Away> !ratchet Ratchet & Clank/Walkthrough
[22:25] <+HunterG-88> Tiger|Away: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank/Walkthrough
[22:25] <@Tiger|Away> To describe the game and controls
[22:25] <@Tiger|Away> And tips and tricks.
 01[22:25] <@Hunterj> Maybe we should have this navigation template with the next page and previous page. And also have a drop down 'hidden' section for stuff like skill point lists etc?
 01[22:25] <@Hunterj> Maybe the prolouge should go on the main walkthrough page
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[22:25] <@Tiger|Away> yes, it is.
 01[22:25] <@Hunterj> The one that lists individual sections?
[22:25] <+Seahorse|Away> not really away, its just i keep getting messaged questions 
[22:26] <@Tiger|Away> So for example on http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Ratchet_&_Clank/Walkthrough
 01[22:26] <@Hunterj> ok
 01[22:26] <@Hunterj> YEah
[22:26] <@Tiger|Away> Prologue would be a link as listed
[22:26] <+jxtreme> Oh, the prolouge goes on the main game walkthrough?
[22:26] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
 01[22:26] <@Hunterj> yeah
[22:26] <@Tiger|Away> And the succession box?
 01[22:26] <@Hunterj> Should we vote for the prolouge first?
[22:26] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[22:26] <+jxtreme> That's good.
 06[22:26] * @Tiger|Away votes for
 06[22:26] * @Hunterj votes for
 06[22:26] * +jxtreme votes for
 06[22:26] * +Drophyd167b votes for
[22:26] <@Tiger|Away> jeanne
 06[22:26] * +Seahorse|Away votes for..
 06[22:26] * +joeyaa votes for
[22:27] <+jxtreme> okay i think it won
 06[22:27] * @jeanne votes for
 01[22:27] <@Hunterj> OK.
[22:27] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah...
[22:27] <@Tiger|Away> Heh.
 01[22:27] <@Hunterj> SO what about the navigation template?
[22:27] <@Tiger|Away> So succession box?
 01[22:27] <@Hunterj> Maybe we should have this navigation template with the next page and previous page. And also have a drop down 'hidden' section for stuff like skill point lists etc?
[22:27] <+jxtreme> Next and previous
[22:27] <@Tiger|Away> Here's an example:
[22:27] <@Tiger|Away> http://clubpenguin.wikia.com/wiki/Template:PinTable
[22:27] <+jxtreme> Good.
[22:28] <+jxtreme> Why skill points if they're on the articles
[22:28] <@jeanne> ?
[22:28] <@Tiger|Away> Skill points are on the articles already
 01[22:28] <@Hunterj> I mean the major links, like back to the main walkthrough
[22:28] <@Tiger|Away> Oh.
[22:28] <@jeanne> Ah
[22:29] <+jxtreme> Oh.
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> heh.
 01[22:29] <@Hunterj> Sorry, my fault. :)
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> Oh ah oh
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> So like a dropdown table?
 01[22:29] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> With useful links?
[22:29] <+jxtreme> With all of the planets
[22:29] <@jeanne> Yes
 01[22:29] <@Hunterj> Yes, and hte next and previous always visible
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> We can do that, yes.
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> Links back to main walkthrough and other useful links.
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> yes.
[22:29] <+jxtreme> Good stuff
 01[22:29] <@Hunterj> So maybe we should have A) A next and previous navigation template. B) A Next and previous box with 'hidden' links to key pages etc C) No navigation template.
[22:29] <@Tiger|Away> So firstly, succession box?
[22:29] <+Drophyd167b> Would a navigation menu list to the current skill point articles?
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[22:30] <@Tiger|Away> No, to a list.
[22:30] <@Tiger|Away> For the game, I presume.
 01[22:30] <@Hunterj> Um, potentially to teh specific planet, but to the game at the very least.
[22:30] <+jxtreme> It should link to the general skill ponts
[22:30] <@Tiger|Away> We already have planet-specific lists of skill points and stuff.
 01[22:30] <@Hunterj> Yes
[22:30] <+Drophyd167b> Sorry, didn't think that last one through
 01[22:30] <@Hunterj> np[
 01[22:30] <@Hunterj> *np
[22:30] <+Drophyd167b> So, are we voting?
[22:30] <+jxtreme> So the link goes to the general skill points
[22:31] <@Tiger|Away> For the game?
 06[22:31] * @Tiger|Away votes B
 01[22:31] <@Hunterj> Yes
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[22:31] <+jxtreme> No, the ones that aren't planet-specific
 01[22:31] <@Hunterj> Or potentially for the actual location the walkthroughs for
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[22:31] <@Tiger|Away> Hey!
 01[22:31] <@Hunterj> Hello
[22:31] <+Drophyd167b> Hi
[22:31] <Haydos271> Is it over?
[22:31] <@jeanne> Hi Haydos271 
[22:31] <@Tiger|Away> No.
[22:31] <+jxtreme> No
[22:31] <@jeanne> No
[22:31] <@Tiger|Away> Only Topic 6.
[22:31] <Haydos271> AWESOME
[22:31] <+jxtreme> yea
[22:31] <@Tiger|Away> :D
[22:31] <@Tiger|Away> Where's Pac?
 06[22:31] * +Drophyd167b votes B
[22:32] <Haydos271> Crap, I'm like....Daylight Savings SAVED meh
[22:32] <@jeanne> How many topics are we trying to do today?
[22:32] <@Tiger|Away> We'll elaborate on site.
 06[22:32] * +jxtreme votes B
[22:32] <+Drophyd167b> He hasn't arrived yet
 06[22:32] * @Hunterj votes B
[22:32] <@Tiger|Away> 22
[22:32] <@jeanne> K
[22:32] <Haydos271> I'm new to IRC
[22:32] <@Tiger|Away> We'll try to go through them as quick as possible.
 06[22:32] * @jeanne votes b
[22:32] <Haydos271> Gimme some tutorials
 03[22:32] * Tiger|Away sets mode: +v Haydos271
 06[22:32] * +Seahorse|Away votes b
[22:32] <@Tiger|Away> Just tlak.
[22:32] <+Haydos271> Hi
[22:32] <@Tiger|Away> I'll explain later.
[22:32] <+Haydos271> Ok
[22:32] <@jeanne> Haydos271: It's getting logged
 01[22:32] <@Hunterj> OK, next
[22:32] <@Tiger|Away> Just want to say that it's good to log onto IRC each time you edit.
[22:33] <@Tiger|Away> In case you want to discuss, there's always somebody here.
[22:33] <+Haydos271> Happy Easter guys
[22:33] <@Tiger|Away> k
[22:33] <@Tiger|Away> yes.
[22:33] <+Haydos271> I thought I was like 3 hours late
[22:33] <+jxtreme> that's tomorros
[22:33] <@Tiger|Away> Happy Easter. And Happy Birthday.
[22:33] <+Drophyd167b> Happy Easter, let's go!
[22:33] <+Haydos271> I'll shut up
[22:33] <@jeanne> :P
[22:33] <+jxtreme> easter is tomorrow
[22:33] <@jeanne> Let's get Back on topic
 03[22:33] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 8: Out of universe content '
 01[22:33] <@Hunterj>  I was wondering if we could have more out of universe content and pages. We already have pages like PS3 or Insomniac Games, but I was thinking stuff like notable, separate trailers could have their own articles, and things like Comic Con could have their own articles. There's a lot of R&C related content in that, but I don't know where to put it. Should we have more pages like this or not? TIGERNOSE
 01[22:33] <@Hunterj> OK, I agree with this, however.
[22:33] <+Drophyd167b> Not for Haydos
[22:33] <@Tiger|Away> Stuff like Comic Con needs an article.
[22:34] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, I agree
[22:34] <+jxtreme> Yea, but not too much of this
[22:34] <@Tiger|Away> For Seahorseruler.
[22:34] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah, only major focus points.
 01[22:34] <@Hunterj> There has to be a certain amount of notability in terms of how much it is linked
[22:34] <@Tiger|Away> There were a lot of red links to Comic Con and PAX during ACiT release.
 01[22:34] <@Hunterj> I think trailers is a step to far
[22:34] <+Haydos271> Yeh, like "Comic Con was where the winner of the My Blaster Runs Hots contest was announced"
 01[22:34] <@Hunterj> But things like that sounds opk
 01[22:34] <@Hunterj> *ok
[22:34] <+jxtreme> trailers might be too far...
[22:34] <@Tiger|Away> One minute.
[22:34] <@Tiger|Away> On Agenda 2, Topic 11.
[22:35] <@Tiger|Away> We have something about a trailer being an article.
[22:35] <+Haydos271> Om nom nom nom *munches on chocolate*
[22:35] <@Tiger|Away> I'll move that here.
[22:35] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, although the crime fighting one might be worth noting
[22:35] <+Haydos271> Yeh
 01[22:35] <@Hunterj> Maybe we should specifically discuss each article
[22:35] <+Drophyd167b> I think that's Topic 11
 01[22:35] <@Hunterj> In a forum or something
[22:35] <+Haydos271> Yes it is
[22:35] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah
[22:35] <+Drophyd167b> brb
[22:35] <@Tiger|Away> So A: no out of universe B: Out of universe C: Out of universe but notability
 01[22:35] <@Hunterj> To decide how linked it is
 01[22:35] <@Hunterj> Ok
[22:35] <+Haydos271> C
 06[22:35] * @Hunterj votes for C
[22:35] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
 06[22:35] * +jxtreme votes C
 06[22:36] * @Tiger|Away votes C and later discussion in forum
 01[22:36] <@Hunterj> Haydos271: Type /me votes for -
[22:36] <+Haydos271> Ahh yeah
 01[22:36] <@Hunterj> No space before the /me
[22:36] <@Tiger|Away> Don't replace me
[22:36] <+Seahorse|Away> C
 06[22:36] * +Haydos271 eats chocolate and votes for C
 06[22:36] * +Seahorse|Away votes C
[22:36] <@Tiger|Away> Okay.
[22:36] <@Tiger|Away> So C it is.
[22:36] <@Tiger|Away> next
[22:36] <@jeanne> c
 01[22:36] <@Hunterj> OK, so C and to be discussed
[22:36] <@Tiger|Away> Here's the biggie....
[22:36] <@Tiger|Away> DRUM ROLL
 03[22:36] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 9: Clank's name '
[22:36] <+joeyaa> !ratchet R&C:MEET
[22:36] <+HunterG-88> joeyaa: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/R&C:MEET
[22:37] <@Tiger|Away> Since the dawn of time, Clank's name has been discussed like hell.
[22:37] <+jxtreme> Clank's name is Clank
[22:37] <@Tiger|Away> Or is it?
 01[22:37] <@Hunterj> Now that it has been revealed that Clank's real name is XJ-0461, should we use it as the name of the article? HiQu
[22:37] <+jxtreme> The game's name is Ratchet 7 Clank
[22:37] <+jxtreme> sorry typo
[22:37] <+Drophyd167b> back
[22:37] <@Tiger|Away> Clank's name - Not that it has been revealed that Clank's real name is XJ-0461, should we use it as the name of the article? HiQu
 01[22:37] <@Hunterj> Oh, sorry :|
[22:37] <+jxtreme> No, it's confusing
[22:37] <@Tiger|Away> Whoops.
 01[22:37] <@Hunterj> Spoiler warning.
 01[22:37] <@Hunterj> :P
[22:37] <@Tiger|Away> Look at section 9 in the comments.
[22:37] <+Haydos271> I think it should be Clank, just keep his real name on page. Many smalltime R&C fans will search for Clank
[22:38] <@Tiger|Away> While I think we should, I doubt this will be passed as we thought that we knew Clanks 'real' name before, and the community decided against it. Now we've found his actual 'real' name, we should probably vote on this again.  HunterjFile:Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort  22:32, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
[22:38] <@Tiger|Away>         * The sheer usage of Clank in the game titles and practically in every single piece of dialogue in the game (apart from Orvus') overwhelmes the usage of his "real name", so it would be unorthodox to change the name IMO. TIGERNOSE
[22:38] <@Tiger|Away> It would ruin rankings.
[22:38] <@jeanne> I like with clank already
[22:38] <@jeanne> Yeah
 01[22:38] <@Hunterj> From a wiki point of view, I'd rather use XJ-0461
[22:38] <+jxtreme> No one calls him Xj-whatever
 01[22:38] <@Hunterj> However practically it makes more sense to use CLank
[22:38] <@Tiger|Away> Plus, Clank doesn't refer to himself as XJ-0461, but Sigmund calls himself Sigma-0462a or wahatever
 01[22:38] <@Hunterj> So I'd go with Clank
[22:38] <+Haydos271> Yeh, because many smalltime fans come on here looking for info
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[22:39] <@Tiger|Away> yes.
[22:39] <@Tiger|Away> Seahorseruler_
 01[22:39] <@Hunterj> SO vote for changing Clank's name or against
[22:39] <+Haydos271> They'd look for Clank, and find out that his real name is XJ-somthing
 06[22:39] * @Hunterj votes againsr
 01[22:39] <@Hunterj> *against
[22:39] <+Drophyd167b> If we do keep the name, it should be for the right reasons, and not because "it would be confusing", frankly if someone is confused by an article with a big picture of Clank on it we shouldn't really care about them
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 01[22:39] <@Hunterj> Yes
 06[22:39] * +Haydos271 votes Clank, not XJ-0461
 01[22:39] <@Hunterj> But it affects google rankings, as well as Tigernose' arguments
[22:40] <+jxtreme> i'd be confusing, but more importantly his name is clank
[22:40] <+jxtreme> and google rankings too
[22:40] <@jeanne> Yea
[22:40] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, I wasn't talking about those
 01[22:40] <@Hunterj> Yes
[22:40] <+Haydos271> Some people haven't played A Crack in Time
[22:40] <@Tiger|Away> Who votes for his serial number?
[22:40] <@Tiger|Away> lol
[22:40] <+Drophyd167b> Just the whole "it would be confusing" thing
[22:40] <@Tiger|Away> Most haven't.
 01[22:40] <@Hunterj> POint taken Drophyd167b.
[22:40] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[22:40] <+Seahorseruler_> sorry about bad connection :|
 06[22:40] * +Drophyd167b votes Serial
 01[22:40] <@Hunterj> np
[22:40] <@Tiger|Away> :
[22:40] <+Drophyd167b> lol
[22:40] <@Tiger|Away> heh
[22:40] <@Tiger|Away> So vote:
 06[22:40] * @Tiger|Away votes Clank
 06[22:40] * +Haydos271 hasn't played A Crack in Time but knows Clank's name off by heart O.o
 06[22:40] * +jxtreme votes Clank
 06[22:40] * +Haydos271 votes Clank
 06[22:40] * @Hunterj votes Clank
[22:40] <+Drophyd167b> Can we at least change the characterbox to XJ?
 06[22:41] * @jeanne votes Clank
 01[22:41] <@Hunterj> Hm.
[22:41] <+Haydos271> Yes, change the characterbox
 06[22:41] * +Seahorseruler_ votes clank, since its well known
 06[22:41] * +Haydos271 votes clank, change the characterbox to real name
 01[22:41] <@Hunterj> We could do XJ-0461 (Clank).
[22:41] <+jxtreme> Maybe Clank (XJ0461)
 01[22:41] <@Hunterj> How would that look?
[22:41] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[22:41] <+Haydos271> Yes
[22:41] <+Haydos271> Good
[22:41] <@Tiger|Away> Nah...
[22:41] <@Tiger|Away> Rankings....
 01[22:41] <@Hunterj> In the infobox
[22:41] <+Haydos271> infobox
[22:41] <@Tiger|Away> Ok.
 01[22:41] <@Hunterj> Not on the title
[22:41] <+jxtreme> yea, in the infobox
[22:41] <+Haydos271> Agreed
[22:42] <+jxtreme> not on the title
[22:42] <@jeanne> Okay
[22:42] <+Drophyd167b> Also flip round the start so it goes "XJ-0461 nicknamed Clank"
 01[22:42] <@Hunterj> So XJ-0461 (Clank) or "Clank" in the characterbox
[22:42] <@Tiger|Away> Who votes for A: XJ (Clank) in the infobox B: Clank (XJ)
 01[22:42] <@Hunterj> Whicever looks best
 01[22:42] <@Hunterj> And Clank in the article
 06[22:42] * +Haydos271 votes A
[22:42] <@Tiger|Away> I vote just XJ
 06[22:42] * @Hunterj votes A
[22:42] <@Tiger|Away> C: Just XJ
[22:42] <@Tiger|Away> D: Just Clank
 06[22:42] * +Drophyd167b votes C
 06[22:42] * @Tiger|Away votes C
 06[22:42] * +Haydos271 votes XJ-0461 (C)
[22:43] <+jxtreme> in the infobox for all choices
 01[22:43] <@Hunterj> jeanne?
[22:43] <+jxtreme> right?
[22:43] <@jeanne> c
 01[22:43] <@Hunterj> Yes
 01[22:43] <@Hunterj> Seahorseruler_?
 06[22:43] * +jxtreme votes a
 06[22:43] * +Seahorseruler_ votes B
[22:43] <@Tiger|Away> C wins?
 01[22:43] <@Hunterj> Anyone else to vote?@
[22:43] <+Drophyd167b> Wait, so did Haydos vote C or A, the way he's put it, it could be either?
 01[22:43] <@Hunterj> C
[22:44] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah...
[22:44] <+Drophyd167b> Right
[22:44] <@Tiger|Away> Confusing :S
 06[22:44] * +Haydos271 still cannot believe he missed just the start of it. He is now confused, because he thought (Drophyd, C) he had missed it by hours
[22:44] <+Drophyd167b> So C wins then
[22:44] <@Tiger|Away> But anyway C wins.
[22:44] <@Tiger|Away> So.
[22:44] <+Haydos271> C wins
[22:44] <@Tiger|Away> Clank's name will be kept for article
[22:44] <@Tiger|Away> And XJ for infobox
[22:44] <+Haydos271> Yes
[22:44] <+jxtreme> yes
 01[22:44] <@Hunterj> OK
[22:44] <+Drophyd167b> Yes
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[22:44] <@Tiger|Away> I don't think we have a system for creating forums for general discussion of aspects of the Ratchet & Clank universe, I think we should set one up to keep this away form the talk pages of mainspace articles.  Hunterj
[22:45] <+jxtreme> We have fourms?
[22:45] <@Tiger|Away> This could keep the talk pages away.
[22:45] <@jeanne> Ours
[22:45] <+Haydos271> Yes
 01[22:45] <@Hunterj> lol
[22:45] <@jeanne> Yes
[22:45] <@Tiger|Away> Yes
[22:45] <@Tiger|Away> !ratchet Forum:Index
[22:45] <+HunterG-88> Tiger|Away: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Index
[22:45] <+Haydos271> Yes
[22:45] <@Tiger|Away> It's a wiki forum.
[22:45] <@Tiger|Away> Not a "real forum".
[22:45] <+jxtreme> The red hurts my eyes
[22:45] <+Haydos271> Psst, Tiger, how do you change your name?
[22:45] <@Tiger|Away> So essentially, to stop general discussion from taking place in talk pages.
 01[22:45] <@Hunterj> Yes, what I mean by this is to change the Forum:General
[22:45] <@Tiger|Away>  /nickname whatever
[22:45] <+Haydos271> In IRC
 01[22:45] <@Hunterj> into a discussion system
[22:46] <@Tiger|Away> I use a client, so it's easier.
[22:46] <+Seahorseruler_> Haydos271: /nick <new name here>
 01[22:46] <@Hunterj> SO for the change or against?
 06[22:46] * @Tiger|Away votes for
[22:46] <@jeanne> For the change
[22:46] <+Drophyd167b> Also, put a permanent notification in the banner so we don't end up with topics like this:
 03[22:46] * Haydos271 is now known as Haydos271|Ownage
 06[22:46] * +jxtreme votes for
[22:46] <@Tiger|Away> btw if anybody wants to learn more IRC then stay after.
 06[22:46] * +Seahorseruler_ votes for
[22:46] <+Haydos271|Ownage> All right
 06[22:46] * +Haydos271|Ownage votes for
 06[22:46] * @Hunterj votes for
 06[22:46] * +Drophyd167b votes for
[22:46] <@Tiger|Away> xD
[22:46] <+Drophyd167b> I think
[22:46] <@Tiger|Away> Vote is done.
 03[22:46] * Haydos271|Ownage is now known as Haydos271|Away
 01[22:46] <@Hunterj> next
[22:46] <+Haydos271|Away> brb
 03[22:47] * Drophyd167b is now known as Drophyd
[22:47] <@Tiger|Away> If only Pac was here....
 03[22:47] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 11:Article and image request pages '
 01[22:47] <@Hunterj> I think we should have a page for article and image requests. The wanted pages are good for articles needing creation but sometimes articles need creating but aren't linked to, or creation of the articles needs discussion. Also, image requests are useful for specific requests and for use on pages already with an image, where {{image needed}} wont be appropriate. Hunterj
 01[22:47] <@Hunterj> Simple really
 01[22:47] <@Hunterj> For or against
 01[22:47] <@Hunterj> Creating these pages
[22:47] <@Tiger|Away> Any Questions?
[22:47] <+jxtreme> Good idea. I like adding images
 06[22:47] * +Drophyd votes for
 06[22:47] * @Hunterj votes for
 06[22:47] * @Tiger|Away votes for
 06[22:47] * +jxtreme votes for
[22:47] <+jxtreme> its been a hour
[22:48] <@jeanne> For
[22:48] <@Tiger|Away> Yes image requests is very good.
[22:48] <@Tiger|Away> :s
[22:48] <@Tiger|Away> We should hurry up...
 01[22:48] <@Hunterj> jxtreme: Sorry. :Z
[22:48] <@Tiger|Away> We have more people now, so it's faster.
 01[22:48] <@Hunterj> Next
 06[22:48] * +Seahorseruler_ votes for
 01[22:48] <@Hunterj> That's over half
 03[22:48] * Haydos271|Away is now known as Haydos271
 03[22:48] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 12: Moon infobox '
 01[22:48] <@Hunterj> Moon Infobox - Because the significance of moons in ACiT, we need someone to design an infobox for each moon article. I have a clear idea of which fields should be included. TIGERNOSE
[22:48] <@Tiger|Away> Hunterj, you paste the descs :)
[22:48] <+jxtreme> yes
 01[22:48] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: So you know wah you want?
[22:48] <@Tiger|Away> So yeah, this was pre-ACIT
 01[22:48] <@Hunterj> You just need technical help?
 06[22:49] * +Drophyd votes for
 06[22:49] * @Hunterj votes for
[22:49] <+Drophyd> If it's needed
[22:49] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah, if we're going to use complex.
[22:49] <+Haydos271> Hmmmm, I am no good at template (only userboxes) so count me out
 01[22:49] <@Hunterj> OK
[22:49] <@Tiger|Away> *code
 06[22:49] * +jxtreme votes for
 06[22:49] * +Haydos271 votes for
 01[22:49] <@Hunterj> I can help
[22:49] <+jxtreme> Discuss fields late
 06[22:49] * @Tiger|Away votes for
 06[22:49] * @jeanne votes for
 01[22:49] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[22:49] <@Tiger|Away> Thanks, I see the infoboxes here use different code.
 01[22:49] <@Hunterj> OK, next
[22:49] <+jxtreme> Discuss fields later?
[22:49] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
 01[22:49] <@Hunterj> Yes
[22:49] <@Tiger|Away> Discuss what should be in the infobox.
 01[22:49] <@Hunterj> On the talk page after it's been made.
[22:49] <+jxtreme> k
 06[22:49] * +Seahorseruler_ votes for
 01[22:49] <@Hunterj> The basic thing
[22:49] <@Tiger|Away> If anybody wants to discuss that, stay afterwards.
 03[22:49] * +Seahorseruler_ (~Seahorse@wikia/seahorseruler) has left #R&C
[22:49] <+jxtreme> k
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 03[22:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Seahorseruler_
 03[22:50] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 13: In Tools of Destruction... '
 01[22:50] <@Hunterj> Anything like this in an article NEEDS to go, it needs to be replaced with in-universe things, like, say, in the Nefarious and Lawrence articles I've replaced Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time with things like "Ratchets' search for Clank", this is what we need to be doing in every part of an article apart from the "Appearances" and the "Trivia"/"Behind the Scenes" section. Drophyd167b
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> Now remember.
[22:50] <+jxtreme> oh gee
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> This topic covers not only words but sections.
[22:50] <+Drophyd> Does it?
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> So game sections as well.
 01[22:50] <@Hunterj> wait, do in paragraphs first
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
 01[22:50] <@Hunterj> So forget titles and sections
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> So this expands on our previous topic.
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> Okay.
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> For now.
 01[22:50] <@Hunterj> We might not need to vote on this actually
[22:50] <@Tiger|Away> I'm neutral for this.
[22:50] <+Haydos271> I agree, it should be changed, but with the sheer amount of pages that have this, this would be capable of a user project
[22:51] <+jxtreme> What is so bad about using game names?
[22:51] <@Tiger|Away> Anybody want to toss around some ideas?
 01[22:51] <@Hunterj> Inuniverse topics, according to the MOS, might have to be reffered to inuiverse
[22:51] <@Tiger|Away> I'm thinking we could use both.
[22:51] <+Drophyd> Because it's unprofessional 
[22:51] <+jxtreme> its a videogame
 01[22:51] <@Hunterj> Real world articleslike INsomniac Games, PS3 etc should reffer to teh game titles
[22:51] <@Tiger|Away> Well here's what I say:
 01[22:51] <@Hunterj> As should behind the scenes and trivia
[22:51] <+Drophyd> Yes
[22:52] <+Haydos271> Yeh
 01[22:52] <@Hunterj> But in the articles?
 01[22:52] <@Hunterj> That's what we're discussing
[22:52] <@Tiger|Away> The series has one storyline per game.
 01[22:52] <@Hunterj> OK, we shouldn't really vote on this
[22:52] <@Tiger|Away> Why>
 01[22:52] <@Hunterj> As according to the MOS "Make sure that you write the articles from Ratchet's view (in-universe) and in the past tense, keep gaming tips to a separate section."
[22:52] <@Tiger|Away> Ah.
[22:52] <@Tiger|Away> But secondly
[22:52] <@Tiger|Away> Sections:
 06[22:52] * +Haydos271 doesn't vote
 01[22:52] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: wait a sec
[22:52] <+jxtreme> this gets annoying^
[22:53] <+jxtreme> i mean the MOS
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> heh
[22:53] <@Tiger|Away> Mhm.
[22:53] <@Tiger|Away> Sections now?
[22:53] <+Drophyd> Yeah, sections
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> Well, basically what Drophyd has suggested is waht we should do
[22:53] <@jeanne> Yes
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> If anyone disagrees then I recommend you eitherL
[22:53] <@Tiger|Away> Okay.
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> *:
[22:53] <@Tiger|Away> Sections:
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> A) open a forum
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> B) talk on the MOS talk apge
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> *page
[22:53] <@Tiger|Away> k
 01[22:53] <@Hunterj> anyway, sections
[22:53] <+Drophyd> I was thinking, maybe we could make  in universe articles for each game
[22:53] <+Haydos271> Im neutral
[22:54] <+jxtreme> but in universe, there is no gmae
[22:54] <+Drophyd> such as having an article about "Nefarious' campaign in Solana"
[22:54] <@Tiger|Away> So should we have game names or story plots as sub-headings in Biography sections?
[22:54] <+jxtreme> game names
 01[22:54] <@Hunterj> I think we should use game names
[22:54] <@Tiger|Away> Thing is Drophyd, we're not a lore wiki.
 01[22:54] <@Hunterj> it's easier for navigation
[22:54] <+jxtreme> yea
[22:54] <+Drophyd> I know, what I mean is the plots of each game
 01[22:54] <@Hunterj> also they do not have canoncial offical name
[22:54] <@Tiger|Away> This is my idea though.
 01[22:54] <@Hunterj> *names
[22:54] <+Haydos271> Game names pear Hunterj
[22:54] <+Haydos271> per*
 01[22:54] <@Hunterj> We'd be describing the games
 01[22:55] <@Hunterj> Which is fine, but not for headings IMO
[22:55] <+Drophyd> Oh well
[22:55] <@Tiger|Away> We have game names in the Biography, but parts of their life not in any game have their own sections.
[22:55] <@Tiger|Away> OR
 01[22:55] <@Hunterj> Do we need to vote or are we pretty much ok with using game names as sub headings?
[22:55] <@Tiger|Away> Wait.
[22:55] <@Tiger|Away> So:
[22:55] <@Tiger|Away> A: Game names only
[22:55] <@Tiger|Away> B: storyline only
 01[22:55] <@Hunterj> Drophyd: Basically, it's your argument, do you acept our response? :P
[22:55] <@Tiger|Away> C: We have game names in the Biography, but parts of their life not in any game have their own sections.
 06[22:55] * +Haydos271 votes A
 06[22:55] * +jxtreme votes a
[22:56] <+Drophyd> So are we changing Neffy and such to game names, 'cos in my opinion that would detract from the quality of those articles?
[22:56] <@Tiger|Away> D: We have storylines as sub-sectiosn underneath game names as well as C
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> Waot
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> *wait
[22:56] <@Tiger|Away> This is getting complex, one minute...
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> we can't havea
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> 8a
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> a
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> wE AGREED TO USE BIOGRAPHY EARLIER
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> CAPSLOCK
 01[22:56] <@Hunterj> Stupid keyboard
[22:56] <+Haydos271> Caps Lock lol
[22:56] <@Tiger|Away> Yes, but game names as subsections.
[22:56] <+Haydos271> Looks like your screaming
[22:56] <@Tiger|Away> heh
 06[22:56] * +Haydos271 votes c now
[22:57] <@Tiger|Away> Lemme get this straight:
 06[22:57] * @jeanne choosing c
 06[22:57] * +Haydos271 is now neutral and confused
[22:57] <@Tiger|Away> Here are my ideas.
 06[22:57] * @Hunterj votes C
[22:57] <@Tiger|Away> Yes, let me explain, it's getting big now...
[22:57] <+Drophyd> As it's clearly gonna be game names, are we changing Neffy?
 01[22:57] <@Hunterj> Hm
[22:57] <@Tiger|Away> Okay, so let's do it this way:
[22:57] <@Tiger|Away> We vote for C right?
[22:57] <@jeanne> Let's see
[22:57] <+Drophyd> Plus, surely with an article like Azimuth, having game names would be a little redundant?
[22:58] <@Tiger|Away> If we vote for C, should we still have storylines as sub-sections underneath game names?
 01[22:58] <@Hunterj> Drophyd: we can use in-universe sub headings under the game titles, for different sections of each game still
[22:58] <+Haydos271> Drophyd, when you say Neffy, I think of the user "Neffy*something*"
[22:58] <+jxtreme> so would uding plots
[22:58] <@jeanne> jxtreme: ^
[22:58] <+jxtreme> sorry, typo
[22:58] <@Tiger|Away> That's where my latest idea comes in.
 01[22:58] <@Hunterj> Ah, game names only for long articles
[22:58] <+Drophyd> I don't really need to vote, do I?
 01[22:58] <@Hunterj> That was what we were going to do
[22:58] <@Tiger|Away> Should we have storylines underneath game sections?
 01[22:58] <@Hunterj> Yes
[22:58] <@Tiger|Away> as sub-sections again?
 01[22:58] <@Hunterj> yes
[22:58] <+Haydos271> Yeah
 06[22:58] * +Haydos271 votes D
[22:58] <+jxtreme> what
[22:58] <@Tiger|Away> So we have decided:
 01[22:59] <@Hunterj> And only for articles with several appearances, so like Ratchet, Qwark, Clank etc
[22:59] <@Tiger|Away> The biography section is split into sub-sections of game. Each sub-section has its own sub-section about a storyline in a game. Other storylines not in any game go in another sub-section.
[22:59] <+Haydos271> Agreed
[22:59] <+jxtreme> there is one storyline per game
[22:59] <@Tiger|Away> So for example here's Nefarious biogrpahy section:
[22:59] <+jxtreme> right?
 01[23:00] <@Hunterj> *Sections of the storyline
[23:00] <+Haydos271> No, Jxtreme
[23:00] <@Tiger|Away> Well, different sub-plots
 01[23:00] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[23:00] <+jxtreme> like what?
[23:00] <@Tiger|Away> ==Biography==
[23:00] <+Haydos271> Secret Agent Clank has three storylines, ending the same
[23:00] <@Tiger|Away> ===life as an organic being===
[23:00] <+Haydos271> So four sub-sections
[23:00] <@Tiger|Away> ===UYA===
[23:00] <@jeanne> Ok
[23:00] <@Tiger|Away> ====Sub-plot in UYA====
[23:00] <@Tiger|Away> That's what I'm proposing
[23:00] <+Haydos271> Yeah
[23:00] <+Drophyd> What about storylines that branch over several games, such as him being stranded on the asteroid?
[23:00] <+jxtreme> okay
[23:00] <+jxtreme> ahhh
 01[23:01] <@Hunterj> Drophyd: They have non-game headings
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> That goes as the "other subsection"
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
 01[23:01] <@Hunterj> Like  ===life as an organic being===
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> Agreed?
[23:01] <+Drophyd> I don't agree, but I'm outvoted anyway, so whatever
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> Okay.
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> That was a biggie.
 01[23:01] <@Hunterj> Drophyd: This is a sort of compromise, do you agree with that much?
[23:01] <+Drophyd> Let's move on!
 01[23:01] <@Hunterj> ok
[23:01] <+Drophyd> Sorry
[23:01] <+jxtreme> yea
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> Now this next one is a clarification, but it's better off to have a bigger community here to discuss thisL
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> *:
[23:01] <+jxtreme> ok
 03[23:01] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 14: Crate name '
[23:01] <@Tiger|Away> Essentially.
 01[23:01] <@Hunterj> There is this crate in A Crack in Time, that significantly bigger than other crates and looks orange. When breaking it, it provides bolts and ammo. What shall we call this crate? TIGERNOSE
[23:02] <+Haydos271> Multi-Purpose Crate (Had this idea for a loooong time)
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> That should be in one of our forum systems, but nm
[23:02] <+Drophyd> Hunterj, did you manage to find the guide?
[23:02] <@Tiger|Away> Who was the strategy guide for ACiT?
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> I've got the guide
[23:02] <+jxtreme> not me
[23:02] <@jeanne> Not me
[23:02] <@Tiger|Away> Is it in there?
[23:02] <+jxtreme> what did you find
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> BUt I can't find the crate name yet
[23:02] <+jxtreme> ahhhhh
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> It is in there though
[23:02] <@Tiger|Away> Anybody else have it?
[23:02] <@Tiger|Away> HiQu does.
[23:02] <@Tiger|Away> Maybe Pac does...
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> It is definitely in there somewhere
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> I will find it.
[23:02] <+jxtreme> good
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> Eventually....
[23:02] <@Tiger|Away> Could you look for it after the meeting or somethiing, but still in IRC?
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> Next!
[23:02] <+jxtreme> ...
 01[23:02] <@Hunterj> Sure
[23:02] <+Haydos271> How about "Multi-Purpose Crate" It should be used if we don't find he Crate name
[23:03] <+jxtreme> then move it later?
[23:03] <+Haydos271> *the
[23:03] <+Haydos271> Yeah okay
[23:03] <@jeanne> So a placename thing
 01[23:03] <@Hunterj> ok, but use the conjecture template
[23:03] <@Tiger|Away> Okay, we'll use that as an idea.
[23:03] <+jxtreme> yea
[23:03] <@jeanne> Yes
[23:03] <@Tiger|Away> As a last resort
[23:03] <+jxtreme> next?
 06[23:03] * +Haydos271 votes for Multi-Purpose Crate (conjecture)
[23:03] <@Tiger|Away> What about ACiT in brackets?
[23:03] <@jeanne> Kind of like our unnamed rilgar thing last time
 01[23:03] <@Hunterj> no, just use conjecture template
[23:03] <@Tiger|Away> k
[23:03] <+jxtreme> just conjecture
 03[23:03] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 15: Skill points '
[23:04] <+Drophyd> Does that really work though? I mean what does it do other than give you stuff?
[23:04] <+Drophyd> Oops
[23:04] <@Tiger|Away> Gives you more than bolts.
[23:04] <+jxtreme> i don't get this
[23:04] <@Tiger|Away> we should have some sort of guide on the easiest/easier ways to complete these, maybe for some of the trophies as well. Should we have a section on each skill point page for this, a walkthrough article for each skill point page or some sort of guide for each game's skill points linked to the skill point location links? Hunterj
[23:04] <@Tiger|Away> jxtreme, we'll discuss it after the meeting
 01[23:05] <@Hunterj> Drophyd: It's be temporary and conjecture would be used
[23:05] <+Haydos271> Really, the R&C Wiki is for info, not walkthroughs, as many can just search IGN, Gamespot, GameFAQ etc.
 01[23:05] <@Hunterj> Drophyd: I think it's better than using orange crate or something. :P
[23:05] <@Tiger|Away> So Topic 15.
[23:05] <@Tiger|Away> Haydos271, it's still better off to have it.
[23:05] <@Tiger|Away> It's better than nothing.
[23:05] <+Haydos271> Kk
 01[23:05] <@Hunterj> tbh this isn't really a vote eitehr
[23:05] <+Haydos271> Then..
 01[23:05] <@Hunterj> It's just to say we should include this
[23:05] <+jxtreme> are we on topic 15
[23:05] <+Drophyd> Skill points are a good idea, but not trophies, as they'd be covered in a normal walkthrough anyway
[23:05] <+Haydos271> Yes
[23:05] <@Tiger|Away> Just an opinion, not an order Haydos.
 01[23:05] <@Hunterj> In the wlakthroughs and skill point pages
[23:05] <@Tiger|Away> :)
[23:05] <+Haydos271> YES SI
[23:06] <+Haydos271> SIR*
[23:06] <@Tiger|Away> heh...
[23:06] <+Haydos271> jks
[23:06] <+jxtreme> walkthrough pages for each skill pint?
 01[23:06] <@Hunterj> NO, walkthrough sections
 01[23:06] <@Hunterj> *No
[23:06] <@Tiger|Away> Sections or pages.
[23:06] <+jxtreme> oh
 01[23:06] <@Hunterj> I'm not shouting.... ;)
[23:06] <+jxtreme> sections, right
[23:06] <@Tiger|Away> A: Nothing B: Sections C: Subpages
[23:06] <@jeanne> C
[23:06] <+Haydos271> Maybe merge the walkthrough onto the skill point pages
[23:06] <@jeanne> No I meant b
 06[23:06] * +Haydos271 votes B
 06[23:06] * @Tiger|Away votes b
 06[23:06] * +jxtreme votes b
 06[23:07] * @Hunterj votes b
[23:07] <@Tiger|Away> It's just a small walkthrough
[23:07] <+Drophyd> Can we hurry up a little? It's just I've got about 15 minutes till I have to get of, damn Daylight Savings!
[23:07] <@Tiger|Away> No need for subpage.
[23:07] <@Tiger|Away> K.
 06[23:07] * +Drophyd votes B
[23:07] <@Tiger|Away> Next.
 01[23:07] <@Hunterj> Drophyd: OK
[23:07] <@Tiger|Away> This is another biggie.
[23:07] <+jxtreme> I have to leave soon
 03[23:07] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 16: Answers wiki '
 01[23:07] <@Hunterj> I made an answers wiki for Ratchet & Clank. Of course, it's only got a few questions on, so we need to understand how it will be affiliated with this wiki, and how we'll advertise it. Link here. TIGERNOSE
[23:07] <@jeanne> Sitenotice?
[23:07] <@Tiger|Away> http://ratchet.answers.wikia.com/
[23:07] <+jxtreme> real soon
[23:07] <@Tiger|Away> Yes, but further.
[23:07] <+Drophyd> Doesn't this sort of clash with a forum system?
[23:07] <+jxtreme> g2g
[23:08] <@Tiger|Away> The answers wiki widget.
 02[23:08] * +jxtreme (~4a6b59b6@gateway/web/freenode/x-xtszcnwxpnssqhbs) Quit (Quit: Page closed )
[23:08] <+Haydos271> Um, SiteNotice? Official Friends? Something on the front page
[23:08] <@Tiger|Away> Drophyd, /all/ wikis are entitled to an answer wiki via Wikia.
[23:08] <@Tiger|Away> Yes, that's what we need to decide on.
[23:08] <@Tiger|Away> joeyaa
[23:08] <@Tiger|Away> You know the answers wiki widget?
[23:08] <+Haydos271> It's Easter today
[23:08] <+Haydos271> For me
[23:08] <@Tiger|Away> What MediaWiki message is it?
[23:08] <@jeanne> Yeah
[23:08] <@Tiger|Away> Same...
[23:08] <+Drophyd> Yeah, I know, but if we have a forum system then we don't really need an answers wiki and vice versa
 01[23:08] <@Hunterj> As an administrator can you edit the main page on that site Tiger|Away?
[23:09] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[23:09] <@Tiger|Away> I'll edit it soon.
[23:09] <@jeanne> Drophyd: Answers wiki is better
[23:09] <@Tiger|Away> So who's going to edit there?
 01[23:09] <@Hunterj> Personally I don't think we should affiliate ourselves with the wiki atm
[23:09] <+Haydos271> I might have to go to my nans for Easter party soon, but thats about 2-3 hours from now
[23:09] <@Tiger|Away> 1) Anybody going to edit there?
[23:09] <@jeanne> Forum would be too unorganized
[23:09] <+Haydos271> Me, I have edited!
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[23:09] <@jeanne> I might edit
 01[23:09] <@Hunterj> jeanne: we already have the forum system
[23:09] <+Haydos271> It's just hard to get to
[23:09] <@jeanne> Yeah
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[23:09] <@Tiger|Away> 2) Answers wiki widget? Should we advertise it there?
[23:09] <+Drophyd> Yeah, so maybe not have a forum system
[23:10] <@Tiger|Away> Currently it's on wikianswers
 01[23:10] <@Hunterj> I don't think we should affiliate the wiki personally, normal answerswiki has a category for us, and we have the forums
[23:10] <@Tiger|Away> Should we change it to Ratchet & Clank answers?
[23:10] <+Haydos271> Yeah, the forum is mostly obselete
[23:10] <@Tiger|Away> That's the thing.
 01[23:10] <@Hunterj> Well, it still works 
[23:10] <@jeanne> Yeah
[23:10] <@Tiger|Away> I imported everything from wikianswers to the answers wiki.
 01[23:10] <@Hunterj> Right
[23:10] <+Haydos271> I reckon the Answers wiki works better
[23:10] <@Tiger|Away> So wikianswers is redundant or vice versa.
 01[23:10] <@Hunterj> Yeah, IMO
[23:11] <@Tiger|Away> I think wikianswers is redundant now.
[23:11] <@jeanne> But it's hard to keep track on what goes on the forum here
[23:11] <@Tiger|Away> So we should focus on answers wiki.
[23:11] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
[23:11] <@jeanne> Yeah
[23:11] <+Haydos271> Agreed
[23:11] <@Tiger|Away> Sitenotice?
 06[23:11] * +Drophyd votes answers
 01[23:11] <@Hunterj> Sitenotice?
[23:11] <@jeanne> Yes
[23:11] <+Drophyd> Yeah site notice
 01[23:11] <@Hunterj> I ignore all of the answers stuff atm
[23:11] <@Tiger|Away> Hopefully joeyaa will tell me the answers wiki widget so we can add Ratchet to there.
 01[23:11] <@Hunterj> I use the forums and that's it
 06[23:11] * +Haydos271 votes answers, possibly something on "front page" aswell
[23:12] <@Tiger|Away> It's just that R&CA may be very useful.
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 01[23:12] <@Hunterj> OK.
 01[23:12] <@Hunterj> Well I won't vote on this
[23:12] <+Drophyd> Okay, let's move on
[23:12] <@Tiger|Away> Especially for noobs wanting answers that they can't find on the wiki.
 01[23:12] <@Hunterj> Personally I prefere to keep it on the wiki
[23:12] <@Tiger|Away> k
 01[23:12] <@Hunterj> But whatever everyone else thinks is best
[23:12] <@Tiger|Away> k.
 01[23:12] <@Hunterj> I personally don't want to be involved with the answers wikis atm though
 03[23:12] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 17: Futuro skin '
 01[23:12] <@Hunterj>  Jxtreme recently made a new awesome skin for the wiki entitled Futuro. I think it should be a permanent skin to replace our green colour scheme one. A walkthrough for applying it can be found here. Should this be our new skin? --Tigernose 
[23:12] <@Tiger|Away> Jxtreme made a new skin!
[23:13] <+Haydos271> YES DEFINITELY
 01[23:13] <@Hunterj> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jxtreme#How_I_see_the_wiki
[23:13] <@Tiger|Away> It's a great skin.
 01[23:13] <@Hunterj> Yes, but one thing.
[23:13] <@Tiger|Away> Thanks.
[23:13] <@Tiger|Away> Yes?
 01[23:13] <@Hunterj> I'd like to wait until June
 06[23:13] * +Drophyd votes for a new skin
[23:13] <+Haydos271> It's great, but Stylish stuffs up on me alot
 01[23:13] <@Hunterj> It's halfway through the year
[23:13] <+Haydos271> So new skin
[23:13] <@Tiger|Away> yeah, June sounds good.
[23:13] <@jeanne> :)
[23:13] <+Drophyd> Yeah, June
[23:13] <+Haydos271> I currently have to use the old skin because Stylish went kaput on me
[23:14] <@Tiger|Away> Also, we can't use Stylish for it.
[23:14] <@jeanne> But I heard from Tiger|Away that you have to download stylish for it
[23:14] <@Tiger|Away> I have the code for it.
[23:14] <@jeanne> So it's not actually in Monaco.css
 01[23:14] <@Hunterj> Also is this skin going to be easy to use?
[23:14] <@Tiger|Away> In fact, the code is open-source.
[23:14] <@jeanne> Has to work for all users
[23:14] <@Tiger|Away> All we need to do is import it to Monaco.css
[23:14] <@Tiger|Away> You can preview it.
 01[23:15] <@Hunterj> Personally I say change it in June, and we'll 'test' it beforehand by previewing etc
[23:15] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[23:15] <@Tiger|Away> He uses Ratchet & Clank icons as well.
[23:15] <+Haydos271> Kay
 01[23:15] <@Hunterj> On a side note, I will hopefully have a christmas themed skin ready for December.
[23:15] <@Tiger|Away> So it's more "Ratchet & Clanky"
[23:15] <+joeyaa> Tiger|Away: ask charitwo, the last time I changed the answers widget it was a wikifactory thing
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[23:15] <@Tiger|Away> Hunterj, okay, but will that be permanent?
[23:15] <@Tiger|Away> joeyaa, k.
 01[23:15] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: No just for December.
[23:15] <+Haydos271> I'd like to ask
[23:16] <+Haydos271> Who is Charitwo
[23:16] <@Tiger|Away> Yes?
[23:16] <@Tiger|Away> Wikia staff
[23:16] <wjxhuang> charit is vstf
[23:16] <+Haydos271> Thought so
[23:16] <wjxhuang> not staff
[23:16] <+Haydos271> Because Charit can delete pages
[23:16] <@Tiger|Away> k
 01[23:16] <@Hunterj> next?
[23:16] <+Drophyd> Are we done here?
 06[23:16] * @Tiger|Away votes for futuor
 01[23:16] <@Hunterj> in june
[23:16] <@Tiger|Away> ok fine.
 06[23:16] * @Hunterj votes for in June
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 06[23:16] * +Haydos271 votes for Futuro in June
[23:16] <@Tiger|Away> brb you change topic, Hunterj.
[23:17] <@Tiger|Away> jxtreme, it's your skin!
[23:17] <jxtreme> what did i miss
[23:17] <@Tiger|Away> We were talking about.
[23:17] <@Tiger|Away> *it.
 06[23:17] * +Drophyd votes for Futuro again
 01[23:17] <@Hunterj> Can you?
[23:17] <@Tiger|Away> Your skin.
 01[23:17] <@Hunterj> I've got text to paste
[23:17] <jxtreme> whaaaa
[23:17] <@Tiger|Away> K.
[23:17] <jxtreme> it can't be implemented now
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 01[23:17] <@Hunterj> jxtreme: We're going to use it permanantly from June onwards, if that's ok
[23:17] <jxtreme> good.
[23:17] <jxtreme> I just need to remove the !important
 01[23:18] <@Hunterj> OK
[23:18] <jxtreme> and merge with current theme
 01[23:18] <@Hunterj> next
[23:18] <jxtreme> i mean skin
[23:18] <+Drophyd> Are we moving on or not?
 01[23:18] <@Hunterj> Yeah, Tiger|Away?
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[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> I pasted you the convo
[23:19] <+Drophyd> Does he still want you to change it, Hunterj?
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 03[23:19] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 18: User blogs '
 03[23:19] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started ||Topic 18: User blogs '
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> The topic won't change.
 03[23:19] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started || Topic 18: User blogs '
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> why won't it change?
 01[23:19] <@Hunterj> Before, we opted out of having user blogs in our wiki. Essentially they are interactive blogs that work with wikicode, and users can easily comment on them (also with wikicode). Here's an example of a good blog. Should we opt back in? --Tigernose
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> Dammit, change!
 01[23:19] <@Hunterj> It has
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> Okay...
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> 4 times.
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> lag?
[23:19] <+Haydos271|Away> Agreed
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> So we opted out.
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> Here's the good thing.
 01[23:19] <@Hunterj> I don't want the blogs still
[23:19] <+jxtreme> g2g
[23:19] <+jxtreme> now
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> We can use user blogs for news.
 01[23:19] <@Hunterj> OK, bye.
[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> K.
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[23:19] <@Tiger|Away> Bye.
[23:20] <@Tiger|Away> Here's how the CPW use user blogs:
[23:20] <@Tiger|Away> http://clubpenguin.wikia.com/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki
[23:20] <+Haydos271|Away> Yeh, I've seen it
[23:20] <@Tiger|Away> They can convey site news and game news via blogs.
[23:20] <+Haydos271|Away> Because I play Club Penguin and edit the wiki
[23:20] <+Haydos271|Away> Like the Puffle Rescue blog
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[23:20] <@Tiger|Away> I don't, CPW's for little kids :p
[23:20] <@Tiger|Away> *CP's
[23:20] <@Tiger|Away> Not CPW
[23:21] <@Tiger|Away> heh
[23:21] <@Tiger|Away> brb
[23:21] <+Drophyd> Says an admin of a wiki about a game series involving a cartoon rat
[23:21] <+Haydos271> My younger cousin plays it
 01[23:21] <@Hunterj> Personally I don't think it's right for the R&C wiki, at least not at the minute
 01[23:21] <@Hunterj> lol
[23:21] <+Haydos271> I usually keeps him happy by going on
[23:22] <@jeanne> I don't like userblogs
 01[23:22] <@Hunterj> I'm strongly against introducing the blogs
[23:22] <@jeanne> Too muh offtopic things
[23:22] <+Haydos271> Really?
[23:22] <+Haydos271> Yeh...
[23:22] <wjxhuang> better example of blogs at http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Wiki aka my own
[23:22] <+Haydos271> Probably distracts users from mainspacre
[23:22] <@Tiger|Away> Sorry lol.
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[23:22] <@Tiger|Away> I knew it'd stir tension.
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[23:23] <@jeanne> M
[23:23] <@jeanne> Clank
 06[23:23] * @Tiger|Away is neutral
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[23:23] <+Drophyd167b> I don't play Club Penguin either, what is it anyway?
 06[23:23] * +XJ-0461 is neutral *does trademark laugh*
 06[23:23] * @Hunterj is strongly against
[23:23] <@Tiger|Away> Not now Drophyd
[23:23] <+XJ-0461> CP is a Disney online world for kids
[23:23] <wjxhuang> with the blogs, imo it's a useful tool for the admins to have
[23:23] <+XJ-0461> On an island with penguins
[23:23] <wjxhuang> if you can stop off-topic posts
 06[23:23] * +Drophyd167b votes neutral
 01[23:23] <@Hunterj> However most of the admins don't seem to want it
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[23:24] <@Tiger|Away> So, no blogs.
 01[23:24] <@Hunterj> So I wouldn't want to introduce it for admins
[23:24] <+Haydos271> Yeh no blogs
[23:24] <@jeanne> Just create a subpage if you really need one
[23:24] <@Tiger|Away> Our users are mature enough though.
 01[23:24] <@Hunterj> Per jeanne.
[23:24] <+Haydos271> Hmmm
 01[23:24] <@Hunterj> Maybe in the future
[23:24] <+Drophyd167b> Doesn't Haydos' Wiki Games thing count as a blog?
[23:24] <@Tiger|Away> Sure.
[23:24] <+Haydos271> Maybe
 01[23:24] <@Hunterj> Not really.
[23:24] <@Tiger|Away> No, more of a community center.
 01[23:24] <@Hunterj> We're talking about the actual blog namespace
[23:24] <@Tiger|Away> Anyone can join on their free will.
[23:24] <+Haydos271> Kind of, even though I havent even edited it for one year
[23:24] <+Drophyd167b> Eh, then we don't need blogs
[23:25] <@Tiger|Away> Another biggie:
[23:25] <+Drophyd167b> I know, just an exanple
 03[23:25] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started || Topic 19: Music scores '
[23:25] <+Haydos271> I will probably get rid of it when I remember
[23:25] <@Tiger|Away> As you may know, certain users have been creating articles for the music scores in the games. We need to decide on whether we should keep these and if so, how to organise them, as they're all over the place. Please note, a lot of effort has been put into making these articles. --Tigernose  
[23:25] <+Haydos271> Hmmm]
[23:25] <@Tiger|Away> So nav templates and such have been created for this.
[23:25] <@Tiger|Away> A lot of efffort has gone into it.
[23:25] <@Tiger|Away> However
 01[23:25] <@Hunterj> Not a single soundtrack of any of the games has been officially released yet has it?
[23:25] <@Tiger|Away> I think it's better off to group the article into each game.
[23:25] <@Tiger|Away> Nope.
 01[23:26] <@Hunterj> Right
[23:26] <@Tiger|Away> But there are clear YT videos.
[23:26] <+Haydos271> Keep them but maybe conjecture because they are ripped and names are iffy like "Gravity Boots ----"
[23:26] <+Drophyd167b> Thing is we don't have official names or the official versions, many soundtracks are edited to repeat parts and such...
[23:26] <+Haydos271> When it should be "Magne Boots ---"
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 01[23:26] <@Hunterj> IN that case we should not have individual articles for each score
[23:26] <@Tiger|Away> There's not much to talk about the music pieces either.
[23:26] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
[23:26] <jxtreme> what is going on
[23:26] <jxtreme> oh, music
 01[23:26] <@Hunterj> BUt I do not object oth having articles for each game's score
[23:26] <jxtreme> I like music
[23:27] <+Haydos271> Yeh
[23:27] <@Tiger|Away> Wait.
[23:27] <+Haydos271> They should stay, but maybe conjecture?
[23:27] <@Tiger|Away> Does anybody have a link to those articles?
[23:27] <+Haydos271> Me
[23:27] <+Haydos271> Hold on
[23:27] <@Tiger|Away> :)
 01[23:27] <@Hunterj> I'd rather just stick them under e.g. Tools of Destruction soundtrack
 01[23:27] <@Hunterj> for exa,ple
 01[23:27] <@Hunterj> *example
[23:27] <+Haydos271> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Blackwater_City_%28music%29
[23:28] <jxtreme> !ratchet Category:Ratchet_%26_Clank_music
[23:28] <+HunterG-88> jxtreme: http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ratchet_%26_Clank_music
 01[23:28] <@Hunterj> Atm that is pure conjecture
 01[23:28] <@Hunterj> IN terms of title
[23:28] <@Tiger|Away> Here's the thing.
[23:28] <+Haydos271> conjecture
[23:28] <jxtreme> the titles are
[23:28] <jxtreme> not the article
[23:28] <+Drophyd167b> Thing is, while I appreciate the work gone into them, it's a little irrelevant to a wiki about the games...
[23:28] <@Tiger|Away> We could have each planet's music as a section, then "overview" and "trivia" as sub-sections.
 01[23:28] <@Hunterj> Personally I think one article for each game.
 01[23:29] <@Hunterj> MErge the articles into it
[23:29] <+Drophyd167b> As in the Overview Sections
[23:29] <@Tiger|Away> Drophyd, we could always de-emphasise it.
[23:29] <jxtreme> music section and sub sections for tracks
[23:29] <@Tiger|Away> Yes, and section as according.
 01[23:29] <@Hunterj> If one is officially released then we can start to split them up
 01[23:29] <@Hunterj> Per Tiger|Away.
[23:29] <jxtreme> some plantes have mult. tracks
[23:29] <@Tiger|Away> Yep.
[23:29] <@Tiger|Away> Agreed?
 01[23:29] <@Hunterj> Exactly, so seperate tehm by game
[23:29] <+Haydos271> like Aridia
[23:29] <@Tiger|Away> k
 06[23:29] * +Drophyd167b votes per Hunterj
 01[23:29] <@Hunterj> Anyone oppose?
[23:29] <@Tiger|Away> Here's a nice one:
[23:30] <jxtreme> no
[23:30] <+Haydos271> nope
 03[23:30] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started || Topic 20: PSN ID page '
[23:30] <@Tiger|Away> I think there should be some page where people can post their online details such as PSN IDs. It will ultimately help us for communication, and just for fun. I would love to play some of my favourite PS3 games with good friends at the wiki. --Tigernose  
[23:30] <+Haydos271> Definitely
[23:30] <+Haydos271> Even though I dont have a PS3
[23:30] <jxtreme> yea
[23:30] <@Tiger|Away> Also, we could expand it from PSN ID to other gaming details.
[23:30] <jxtreme> but i don't have a psn
[23:30] <+Drophyd167b> I agree with this, but don't call it PSN ID
[23:30] <jxtreme> i have a ps3
[23:30] <@Tiger|Away> PS2's has accounts as well.
[23:30] <jxtreme> really
[23:30] <@Tiger|Away> Gaming details
[23:30] <+Haydos271> Really?
[23:30] <@Tiger|Away> *PS2s
[23:30] <@Tiger|Away> Yes, you could go online.
[23:31] <+Haydos271> ...Cool.
[23:31] <@Tiger|Away> Hunterj has a PSN account as well.
[23:31] <@Tiger|Away> *PS2
[23:31] <@Tiger|Away> dammit
[23:31] <+Haydos271> I'll see if can get a PSN
[23:31] <+joeyaa> link to the futuro skin
[23:31] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, but maybe we could expand to include Facebook and such if people so wish
[23:31] <@Tiger|Away> http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jxtreme#How_I_see_the_wiki
[23:31] <jxtreme> Category:Ratchet_%26_Clank_music
[23:31] <@Tiger|Away> Well that's the thing.
[23:31] <@Tiger|Away> That's not gaming anymore...
 01[23:31] <@Hunterj> Yeah
 01[23:31] <@Hunterj> Per Tiger|Away.
[23:32] <@Tiger|Away> So:
[23:32] <+Drophyd167b> Maybe still call it Gaming Details but have an "Other" section at the bottom
[23:32] <@Tiger|Away> A: No such page B: Gaming details only C: Allows gaming and other mediums
 06[23:32] * @Tiger|Away votes b
[23:32] <+Haydos271> This is so like my Student Representative Council
[23:32] <@Tiger|Away> Heh.
 01[23:32] <@Hunterj> Wait a sec
[23:32] <@Tiger|Away> Drophyd, that goes into C
 01[23:32] <@Hunterj> Where would it go?
[23:32] <@Tiger|Away> Yes?
 06[23:32] * +Haydos271 votes C
[23:32] <@Tiger|Away> Ratchet & Clank wiki page
 06[23:32] * +Drophyd167b votes C, but with an emphasis on the B part of it
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[23:33] <+Drophyd167b> So still call it Gaming Details
 01[23:33] <@Hunterj> Also, users would use this at their own discretion, yeah?
[23:33] <+Drophyd167b> or perhaps Gamer Details
[23:33] <+joeyaa> lame
[23:33] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah, though I'm still against Facebook stuff.
[23:33] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah
[23:33] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[23:33] <@Tiger|Away> Of course.
[23:33] <+joeyaa> tell him to lrn2/monaco.css
[23:33] <jxtreme_> i know css
[23:33] <@Tiger|Away> I did.
[23:33] <@Tiger|Away> He means sans Stylish
[23:33] <jxtreme_> wha
[23:33] <@Tiger|Away> It's just that having Facebook doesn't seem welcome on a gaming wiki.
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> He means not using Stylish
[23:34] <+Haydos271> Yeah
[23:34] <jxtreme_> no facebook
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> So vote, Hunterj?
 06[23:34] * @Tiger|Away votes B
[23:34] <@jeanne> B
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> A: No such page B: Gaming details only C: Allows gaming and other mediums
 06[23:34] * +Haydos271 votes C, but no Facebook
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> So?
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> What else?
[23:34] <jxtreme_> b
[23:34] <+Haydos271> Or is that B
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> yes.
[23:34] <+Haydos271> B
 01[23:34] <@Hunterj> WHat's hte current voting score?
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> B then.
 06[23:34] * +Drophyd167b votes B
[23:34] <@Tiger|Away> 5 B
 06[23:35] * jxtreme_ votes b
[23:35] <@Tiger|Away> It's settled.
 01[23:35] <@Hunterj> B
[23:35] <jxtreme_> why is jxtreme in use
 06[23:35] * @Hunterj votes A
 01[23:35] <@Hunterj> Not that it matters. :)
[23:35] <+Drophyd167b> But have stuff for like the official Insomniac Forums and GameFAQs and such
[23:35] <+Drophyd167b> as well
[23:35] <+Haydos271> yeh
[23:35] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[23:35] <+Haydos271> And Starship Phoenix
 01[23:35] <@Hunterj> B then.
 01[23:35] <@Hunterj> YEah
[23:35] <@Tiger|Away> That is Gaming Details.
 03[23:35] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started || Topic 21: Image-links on Main Page '
[23:35] <+Drophyd167b> And I think Gamer Details would be more suitable than gaming
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[23:35] <@Tiger|Away> I think that there should be images that link to major categories or portals on the main page. They would look very similar to the image links on the Halopedia main page. I think that it would allow easier navigation around the wiki, especially to people visiting the site. --Jxtreme
[23:35] <jxtreme_> yea!!
[23:36] <@Tiger|Away> Good idea Droph.
[23:36] <@Tiger|Away> So this is what I think.
[23:36] <+Drophyd167b> What, the Gamer one?
[23:36] <@Tiger|Away> Yup.
[23:36] <@jeanne> Ah, so <imagemap>
 01[23:36] <@Hunterj> Hm, I'm not sure
[23:36] <jxtreme_> are we on topic 21
[23:36] <@Tiger|Away> no image map.
[23:36] <+Drophyd167b> Just gotta check Halopedia to see what you're on about
[23:36] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[23:37] <@Tiger|Away> Just image links.
[23:37] <@jeanne> Okay
[23:37] <@Tiger|Away> So here's what I think.
 01[23:37] <@Hunterj> I like this idea, as long as text is udnerneath each iamge, like on halopedia
[23:37] <@Tiger|Away> You know the "new member" section?
[23:37] <jxtreme_> use [[image.png|link=url]]
 01[23:37] <@Hunterj> And I'd want to see it before it is put on the main page.
 03[23:37] * Haydos271 is now known as Chuck_Norris
[23:37] <jxtreme_> whaaa
[23:37] <@Tiger|Away> I think we should move that up, so it's the first thing on the main page.
[23:37] <+Chuck_Norris> Much better
 03[23:37] * jxtreme_ is now known as jxtreme
[23:37] <+Chuck_Norris> Yeh
[23:37] <@Tiger|Away> And change the name to "Explore".
 01[23:37] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: I'd oppose that
[23:37] <jxtreme> yes!
[23:37] <@Tiger|Away> Then to have the image system.
[23:37] <+Chuck_Norris> Yes, agreed
[23:38] <@jeanne> Ok
[23:38] <@Tiger|Away> jxtreme, yes |link=url
 01[23:38] <@Hunterj> I'll go for the image system, and explore
[23:38] <jxtreme> so we like the image links
[23:38] <@Tiger|Away> I'm thinking of the users.
 01[23:38] <@Hunterj> BUt I don't want to move it up
[23:38] <@Tiger|Away> That's the thing.
 01[23:38] <@Hunterj> It'd mess with the FA
[23:38] <@jeanne> I'd have it the bottom of the mainpage
[23:38] <@Tiger|Away> It's better for navigation, right?
[23:38] <@jeanne> Like above the other languages
 01[23:38] <@Hunterj> I'd rather highlight our articles, we still have the main page nav header at the top
 01[23:38] <@Hunterj> I'd keep it where it is
[23:39] <@jeanne> Yes
 01[23:39] <@Hunterj> replace the text lists
[23:39] <@Tiger|Away> But that is more user-friendly, not reader-friendly
[23:39] <@Tiger|Away> Think about the new users.
[23:39] <jxtreme> teh new users need links
 03[23:39] * Chuck_Norris is now known as Haydos271|Away
 01[23:39] <@Hunterj> Users can already navigate.
[23:39] <@Tiger|Away> Not with the sidebar they can't.
 01[23:39] <@Hunterj> So I think we should leave it where it is
[23:39] <@Tiger|Away> Vote:
[23:40] <@Tiger|Away> So wait, everybody give their opinion.
 01[23:40] <@Hunterj> Eitehr way I d want to see it before it's on the main apge
[23:40] <@Tiger|Away> Majority wins.
 01[23:40] <@Hunterj> Is htta ok?
 06[23:40] * +Drophyd167b votes image link thingy
[23:40] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[23:40] <@jeanne> Yes
 01[23:40] <@Hunterj> ok
 01[23:40] <@Hunterj> So
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 01[23:40] <@Hunterj> A, B and C?
[23:40] <jxtreme_> im back
[23:40] <@jeanne> Preview first then approval
 01[23:40] <@Hunterj> ok
 06[23:40] * @Tiger|Away thinks that the new member section should be the image link thing, but moved up in front of FA.
[23:40] <jxtreme_> you see the FA once, nav many times
[23:41] <jxtreme_> nav is more important
[23:41] <@Tiger|Away> yes.
[23:41] <+Drophyd167b> Yep
 01[23:41] <@Hunterj> the FA is supposed to show the high quality content of our wki
 01[23:41] <@Hunterj> *wiki
[23:41] <@Tiger|Away> And change name to "Explore"
 01[23:41] <@Hunterj> I think it's unfair to vote atm
 01[23:41] <@Hunterj> I  think it needs to be previewed first
[23:41] <@Tiger|Away> It's just that most users don't get the principles of a wiki.
[23:41] <@Tiger|Away> Okay.
[23:41] <jxtreme_> previes first, vote later
[23:41] <@Tiger|Away> Could I design one?
[23:41] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah.
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> Finally of Agenda 1.
[23:42] <jxtreme_> I have a few ideas as to what it'd look like
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: Yes, but the iamges we use may be chagned ok?
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> :)
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> Same goes to jxtremem
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> Hunterj
[23:42] <+Drophyd167b> Ah, here comes my nerdy topic
 03[23:42] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started || Topic 22: Challenge Mode '
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> Wait a sec
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> Can it be considered canon? I mean Challenge Mode is a gameplay mode, much like the multiplayer modes in UYA/DL, they're in the game but they aren't really canon, when, say, in-universe Ratchet beat Nefarious and the Biobliterator, he didn't really go back in time slightly more powerful, he went on and eventually became Captain of the Starship Phoenix. The same goes for armour and other...
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> ...stuff that is only available in challenge mode, they can't actually be canon, can they? Drophyd167b 
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> Yes?
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> Create a forum for the previews
[23:42] <jxtreme_> gg2g
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> Yeah, after.
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> anyone can submit their ideas/examples.
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> K, Bye.
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> That's what I meant
 01[23:42] <@Hunterj> OK
[23:42] <@Tiger|Away> Gd idea.
[23:43] <@Tiger|Away> yeah.
[23:43] <+Drophyd167b> Just to point out, so people don't get confused (whenever I highlight something that is or isn't canon, people always seem to come to this conclusion), I'm not saying it should be removed from the wiki, but should not be considered a canon event. In the same way as how we don't treat A Crack in Time as a canon object
[23:43] <@Tiger|Away> So Topic 22.
 01[23:43] <@Hunterj> I agree
 01[23:43] <@Hunterj> real world articles
[23:43] <@Tiger|Away> You mean "in-universe" stuff?
[23:43] <@Tiger|Away> yes.
[23:43] <+Haydos271|Away> Maybe we should start in-game articles
 01[23:43] <@Hunterj> challenge mode is a gameplay element
 01[23:43] <@Hunterj> like controls
[23:43] <@Tiger|Away> What about Falling and Drowning then?
[23:43] <@jeanne> Yes
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[23:43] <@Tiger|Away> They weren't canon/
[23:44] <+Drophyd167b> Also, I suppose they can be canon, but, say, Ratchet actually wearing Trillium Armour is not
[23:44] <@jeanne> Sorry, that was for before tiger's suggestion
[23:44] <+Haydos271|Away> in-game articles like Falling, controls, menus and challenge mode
 03[23:44] * Haydos271|Away is now known as Haydos271
[23:44] <+Drophyd167b> Again, not remove, but change
[23:44] <@Tiger|Away> Yes.
[23:44] <@Tiger|Away> What happened to menus again?
 01[23:44] <@Hunterj> Falling and drowning are non-canon
[23:44] <+Haydos271> So should we have in-game articles?
[23:45] <+Drophyd167b> Perhaps we should use a new conjecture box detailing that these are in-series content but not considered canon
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> As should be challenge mode
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> There is a non-canon template
[23:45] <+Haydos271> Things in the game but not part of storyline
[23:45] <@Tiger|Away> There is?
[23:45] <@Tiger|Away> Good.
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> Yes
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> I cna't remember what it is
[23:45] <@jeanne> What's it called?
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> BUt I remember making it
[23:45] <@Tiger|Away> So we finished Agenda 1 am I right?
[23:45] <@jeanne> Oh
[23:45] <+Haydos271> Yes
[23:45] <@jeanne> Yes
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> Yeah
[23:45] <@jeanne> 2 hours already
[23:45] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, but that template is outright non-canon, which doesn't really fit challenge mode
[23:45] <+Drophyd167b> lol
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> It does IMO
[23:45] <@Tiger|Away> Should we stop right now then and leave Agenda 2 for alter?
 01[23:45] <@Hunterj> It's not part of the storymode
 01[23:46] <@Hunterj> so non-canon
 03[23:46] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has started || Anything else you want to discuss that was not on the agenda? '
[23:46] <@Tiger|Away> ;)
 01[23:46] <@Hunterj> Anything?
[23:46] <@Tiger|Away> Hunterj, the crate.
 01[23:46] <@Hunterj> Not on agenda 2 or 1 that needs discussing?
 06[23:46] * @jeanne doesn't
 01[23:46] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: after
[23:46] <+Haydos271> I think I had something
[23:46] <@Tiger|Away> What else?
[23:46] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, but non-canon usually details stuff that was cut
[23:46] <+Haydos271> Lemme think
[23:46] <@Tiger|Away> Any thing we left till after?
[23:46] <+Drophyd167b> I had something but I forgot
 01[23:46] <@Hunterj> Drophyd167b: Usually, not always. :)
[23:47] <+Drophyd167b> Hang on a sec
 01[23:47] <@Hunterj> Drophyd167:I Can edit it
[23:47] <@Tiger|Away> Also, if anybody wants to learn a little more about IRC stay over.
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[23:47] <+Haydos271> When is Agenda 2 on?
[23:47] <@Tiger|Away> Hunterj, could you check through the transcript?
 01[23:47] <@Hunterj> NOt sure, decide in a sec
[23:47] <@Tiger|Away> Haydos271, we'll decide a time.
[23:47] <+Haydos271> Kk
 01[23:47] <@Hunterj> skim reading now
[23:47] <+Haydos271> Is it still going to be today?
[23:47] <+Haydos271> GMT +10 of course
[23:47] <@Tiger|Away> Who wants it to be today?
[23:47] <+Haydos271> Me
 01[23:47] <@Hunterj> Haydos271: We'll talk after.
[23:48] <+Haydos271> kk
[23:48] <@Tiger|Away> We could go through a couple of topics now.
 01[23:48] <@Hunterj> Drophyd167b: Anything left?
 01[23:48] <@Hunterj> Anyone have anything left to discuss?
[23:48] <+Drophyd167b> Yeah, would midday UTC work?
[23:48] <+Drophyd167b> I had something...what was it
[23:48] <@jeanne> It was quite early today
[23:48] <@Tiger|Away> Tommorrow?
[23:48] <@jeanne> This irc meeting
[23:48] <@Tiger|Away> yh
 01[23:48] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: Can you end the meeting? Drophyd167b can add it to the other agenda or somehting
[23:48] <@jeanne> Started 7.45 am here
[23:48] <+Haydos271> Tomorrow
 01[23:48] <@Hunterj> *end this meeting
[23:48] <@Tiger|Away> I can't do tommorrow I'm afraid.
[23:49] <@jeanne> Ok, next week?
[23:49] <@Tiger|Away> We could decide it again at the suggestions section.
[23:49] <+Drophyd167b> If by tommorow you mean Monday, probably not
 01[23:49] <@Hunterj> Tiger|Away: End this meeting please.
[23:49] <@jeanne> Different timeslot
[23:49] <+Haydos271> i gtg cya
[23:49] <+Drophyd167b> and not next week
 01[23:49] <@Hunterj> Bye
[23:49] <+Drophyd167b> Cya
 03[23:49] * Tiger|Away changes topic to 'The IRC meeting has ended '